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Dem debate from 2007 vs. today

Posted on 7/12/19 at 10:23 pm
Posted by RidiculousHype
The Hatch
Member since Sep 2007
10685 posts
Posted on 7/12/19 at 10:23 pm
Watching the debates 2 weeks ago, I started to wonder: "Is it just me, or have Democrats gone off the deep end?" I needed something to compare them to.

So I went to youtube looking for an apples-to-apples comparison. I found the first Dem debate 3 election cycles ago. It was from April 2007, held in Orangeburg, SC. LINK It was Obama, Hillary, Biden, Edwards, and 4 others. Here are my observations:

1) One immigration question was asked, and it was for Hillary.

quote:

Clinton: Well, I'm in favor of comprehensive immigration reform, which includes tightening our border security, sanctioning employers to employ undocumented immigrants, helping our communities deal with the costs that come from illegal immigration, getting the 12 million or so immigrants out of the shadows. That's very important to me.

After 9/11, we've got to know who's in this country. And then giving them a chance to pay a fine, pay back taxes, learn English and stand in line to be eligible for a legal status in this country.

This answer is further to the right than every 2020 Dem candidate, and about half the GOP today. Nobody challenged her, and they moved on to education.

2) Quote from candidate Dodd that would go over awesomely in 2019: "I don't support same-sex marriage."

3) Candidate Gravel from Alaska, at one point, looks at Hillary and Obama and says "these people frighten me" tinfoil hat time!

4) The candidates were so cautious. Generally boring overall. They very rarely challenge or interrupt each other.

5) It's funny to see Obama nervous. At times his voice shakes. He looks right out of college.

6) Sometimes you forget an audience is even there. Much less applause than you hear today.

7) Dems loved capitalism back then:

quote:

Clinton: Well, I think that America is a great place because we have an entrepreneurial economy. We have people who are willing to make stakes and new enterprises and invest their money.


8) Candidate Richardson all about that non-PC life:
quote:

Did it affect that he was Hispanic in what I said? Yeah, it did, and I said so. I think the American people want candor. They don't want blow- dried candidates with perfection.


9) Weird to see moderator Brian Williams go hard in the paint on Hillary:
quote:

Senator Clinton, recent national polls indicate the majority of the general public has an unfavorable view of you, right now, at this point in time. Why do you think Republicans are looking forward to running against you with so much zeal?


10) Edwards sweet talking pro-lifers, wouldn't fly in 2019 brother
quote:

this is a very difficult issue for many people. And I think we have to show respect for people who have different views about this.


11) Richardson touting gun owners
quote:

a vast, vast majority of gun owners are law-abiding


12) Last but not least.
quote:

Obama: Well, look, I think that the Confederate flag should be put in a museum. That's where it belongs.


Yeah, I'd say the Democrats have changed just a tad in 12 years
Posted by TerryDawg03
The Deep South
Member since Dec 2012
17657 posts
Posted on 7/12/19 at 10:43 pm to
Remember, Obama was out to radically change America.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
Member since Nov 2012
46671 posts
Posted on 7/12/19 at 10:55 pm to
quote:

Remember, Obama was out to radically change America.


The most dramatic shift in the Democratic platform has occurred just in the last two years. Hillary’s platform in 2016 will seem downright moderate in comparison to what the DNC rolls out next Summer.

And 2008 Obama was more “conservative” than some current GOP members of Congress. 2000 Al Gore would have to run as a Republican now.
Posted by RidiculousHype
The Hatch
Member since Sep 2007
10685 posts
Posted on 7/12/19 at 11:05 pm to
Right. On that 2007 stage, nobody was calling for taxpayer funded abortions for trannies or healthcare for illegals. The closest person to that was Kusinich and even he didn’t go as far as these 2020 clowns.
Posted by RidiculousHype
The Hatch
Member since Sep 2007
10685 posts
Posted on 7/13/19 at 3:48 pm to
I’d also like to hear from a lefty on this. Do you even recognize the Democratic Party of 2007 anymore?
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 7/13/19 at 4:43 pm to
quote:

Clinton: Well, I'm in favor of comprehensive immigration reform, which includes tightening our border security, sanctioning employers to employ undocumented immigrants, helping our communities deal with the costs that come from illegal immigration, getting the 12 million or so immigrants out of the shadows. That's very important to me.


Sure, I believe there are 11 million now and that democrats have pure anti-racist motives for not wanting to count them.
Posted by RidiculousHype
The Hatch
Member since Sep 2007
10685 posts
Posted on 7/15/19 at 8:52 am to
quote:

Sure, I believe there are 11 million now and that democrats have pure anti-racist motives for not wanting to count them.


Posted by DJT45
Member since Jul 2019
135 posts
Posted on 7/15/19 at 8:53 am to
quote:

2000 Al Gore would have to run as a Republican now.
actually true
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
61737 posts
Posted on 7/15/19 at 8:54 am to
quote:

Yeah, I'd say the Democrats have changed just a tad in 12 years



...just their willingness to admit what they believe in.
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