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US suspends Turkish involvement in the F-35.
Posted on 6/7/19 at 7:34 pm
Posted on 6/7/19 at 7:34 pm
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The United States on Friday raised the stakes in its standoff with Turkey over Ankara’s deal to acquire a Russian air defense system, laying out a plan to remove the NATO ally from the F-35 fighter jet program that includes immediately halting any new training for Turkish pilots on the advanced aircraft.
Acting U.S. Defense Secretary Patrick Shanahan sent a letter to his Turkish counterpart, seen by Reuters on Friday, that outlined how Turkey would be pulled out the program — unless Ankara changes course.
Reuters on Thursday first reported the decision to stop accepting more Turkish pilots for training in the United States, in one of the most concrete signs that the dispute between Washington and Ankara is reaching a breaking point.
Could this be the beginning of the end for Turkey as a member of NATO?
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Posted on 6/7/19 at 7:39 pm to WeeWee
Never really understood why they were in it in the first place.
Posted on 6/7/19 at 7:43 pm to WeeWee
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Could this be the beginning of the end for Turkey as a member of NATO?
Maybe. Turkey's geopolitical importance is far too great, though, so I expect Turkey will remain in NATO. Part of the issue has been that Turkey has wanted a missile defense system since the 90's, and I believe tried to procure Patriot Missiles at different points in time. Getting the S400 from Russia satisfied the missile defense desire, but then Turkey loses out on the technology transfer that comes with the F35. It seems like a pretty big loss for the Turks, especially as their aim is to build an internal arms industry.
This post was edited on 6/7/19 at 11:21 pm
Posted on 6/7/19 at 7:53 pm to crazy4lsu
Plus they have the second largest standing army in NATO.
We shouldn’t be bending over backwards to accommodate their every desire by any stretch. But should shite ever actually go down, they are a country we’d rather have on our side.
We shouldn’t be bending over backwards to accommodate their every desire by any stretch. But should shite ever actually go down, they are a country we’d rather have on our side.
Posted on 6/7/19 at 7:53 pm to WeeWee
For those wondering, the reason they don’t want Turkey to have our F 35’s if they buy the Russian missile defense system, from what I’ve read is because it would allow Russian technology to track our plane technology and be able to learn more and identify our plane locations better
Posted on 6/7/19 at 7:53 pm to WeeWee
Good. frick Erdogan.
Posted on 6/7/19 at 7:53 pm to WeeWee
They made their choice. frick em
Posted on 6/7/19 at 7:56 pm to crazy4lsu
There’s a technology sharing component to the Russian deal. I think it gives them subcontractor rights as well.
The S-400 is more capable than the Patriot, and they may view Russia as a more reliable vendor.
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Freezing them out will push them into Russia’s orbit. But I don’t see the point in bending to accommodate them. They’ll just continue to play us against Moscow, for their own benefit.
The S-400 is more capable than the Patriot, and they may view Russia as a more reliable vendor.
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Freezing them out will push them into Russia’s orbit. But I don’t see the point in bending to accommodate them. They’ll just continue to play us against Moscow, for their own benefit.
This post was edited on 6/7/19 at 8:03 pm
Posted on 6/7/19 at 8:00 pm to Lima Whiskey
Maybe it's a good trade off, but they've poured in far more money into the F35 program than the S400, I think. Maybe it will be worth it in the end. I'm skeptical. I believe Turkey has been trying to develop their own fifth-generation fighter, but I don't know its progress.
Posted on 6/7/19 at 8:07 pm to crazy4lsu
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I believe Turkey has been trying to develop their own fifth-generation fighter, but I don't know its progress.
My first question would be why? Unless they had decided to walk away from the F35, or believed we wouldn’t deliver it.
Posted on 6/7/19 at 8:12 pm to Lima Whiskey
Maybe because of their desire to develop their own arms industry? I honestly don't know. Maybe they were developing it concurrently with the F35. I have no clue if it is ever going to fly either.
Posted on 6/7/19 at 8:24 pm to crazy4lsu
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I believe Turkey has been trying to develop their own fifth-generation fryer..
FIFY.
A fifth generation fryer before Thanksgiving would be great!
Posted on 6/7/19 at 8:25 pm to crazy4lsu
What’s our reasoning for not selling them a Patriot battery?
Posted on 6/7/19 at 8:35 pm to boosiebadazz
I think it's a pretty complicated situation. I think this article from a couple of years ago highlights the history. LINK
Posted on 6/7/19 at 8:55 pm to funnystuff
quote:A couple of nukes and, well... no more army worries.
Plus they have the second largest standing army in NATO.
Posted on 6/7/19 at 9:09 pm to BuckyCheese
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Never really understood why they were in it in the first place.
Because Turkey is strategically/geographically the most important country in the region.
This post was edited on 6/7/19 at 9:29 pm
Posted on 6/7/19 at 9:15 pm to HubbaBubba
They aren’t all sitting in some room together
Posted on 6/7/19 at 9:17 pm to WeeWee
Turkey is the worst “ally” ever, except for Pakistan I suppose. They’ve threatened our air and armed forces in Syria, purchased weapon systems from our enemies, have no issues leaking our capabilities to our enemies, not to mention their recent shift toward more hardline Islamicism.
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