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re: Muh tariffs are taxes on the American consumer!

Posted on 6/5/19 at 7:50 pm to
Posted by volod
Leesville, LA
Member since Jun 2014
5392 posts
Posted on 6/5/19 at 7:50 pm to
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frick off. If it's not worth it to you, buy American or some other country's product that trades or treats us fairly. Muh cheap goods that enable my country's demise.


The discontent you see is an argument of principle.

Conservatives have always used anti-tariff stances on anything proposed by Democrats or other bodies they disagreed with.

However, as soon as you find some form of benefit that tariffs can deliver, you change course. So effectively you are saying "I don't really dislike tariffs on conservative principle, I am okay with them as long as they can be weaponized against my opponent."

The truth is that most posters on here are not conservatives, they are nativists. And if that's your position, okay, but don't pretend your something that your not (like Democrats).
Posted by TigerBait1971
PTC GA
Member since Oct 2014
14865 posts
Posted on 6/5/19 at 7:53 pm to
I'm neither a nativist or a conservative.

I identify as a pragmatic.
Posted by 93and99
Dayton , Oh / Allentown , Pa
Member since Dec 2018
14400 posts
Posted on 6/5/19 at 9:25 pm to
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Conservatives have always used anti-tariff stances on anything proposed by Democrats or other bodies they disagreed with.


You have Conservatives and Republicans mixed up.

Republicans love globalism just like Democrats do. Conservatives despise globalism. Conservatives don't like tariffs. But if a country is going to tax our products , why shouldn't we tax their products ?

Not applying retaliatory tariffs is a form of globalism. You are helping another country at the detriment of our workforce.
Posted by BeefDawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
4747 posts
Posted on 6/6/19 at 12:16 am to
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The discontent you see is an argument of principle.

Conservatives have always used anti-tariff stances on anything proposed by Democrats or other bodies they disagreed with.

However, as soon as you find some form of benefit that tariffs can deliver, you change course. So effectively you are saying "I don't really dislike tariffs on conservative principle, I am okay with them as long as they can be weaponized against my opponent."

The truth is that most posters on here are not conservatives, they are nativists. And if that's your position, okay, but don't pretend your something that your not (like Democrats).

This is bullshite.

When Dems use to do tariffs, it was because they claimed to want to create “fair trade” (see tariffs during Bill Clinton terms). Clinton was a huge “protectionist”.

But when done during Obama’s terms, it was all under-the-table, with the Lefty MSM failing to cover them. Why? Because Dems were arbitraging tariffs with their personal investment accounts, trying to fatten their pockets. Dems went from protectionists who believed in closed borders to open borders and lopsided disadvantaged trade deals virtually overnight.

Trump is doing them purely to regain the concept of “fair trade” again. Or, as in the case with Mexico, he’s using them to strongarm indirectly another protectionist policy (ie. immigration).

Conservatives understand this and are willing to support it because we need it to fix our economy. Since Dems have moved so far left and have become so corrupt and are no longer the party of the working man and protectionists, Conservatives will take on that responsibility as it’s a viable defense against socialism and far Left economics.

Tariffs were actually a predominately Republican policy from around 1800-1915, and Tariffs were responsible for over 50% of the country’s revenue during most of that time. Only after the inception of the Federal Reserve and the Great Depression happened did the IRS and taxes begin to surpass tariff revenues.

Dems have always flip-flopped their stances to play political games and take advantage of anything for their personal gain.

Conservatives have always been willing to be unconventional for the sake of the overall economy and long term big picture. Short term pain for long term gain.

Obama was just a corrupt piece of shite. This is how he entered the Presidency worth around $1M and left worth over $40M. And I promise you, his trade and immigration policies played a roll in this.
This post was edited on 6/6/19 at 12:24 am
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
56940 posts
Posted on 6/6/19 at 7:13 am to
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Conservatives have always used anti-tariff stances on anything proposed by Democrats or other bodies they disagreed with.



Tariffs used to put economic pressure on trading partners in an attempt to result in more free trade...good

Tariffs used solely to prop up American industries...not good

Tariffs ARE a tax on the American consumer.

In a perfect world, we would have free trade with every country.
This post was edited on 6/6/19 at 7:14 am
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