re: Big Brother 21 - Season Long Thread - Premiere June 25th

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Cliff had said last night he wouldn’t make a big move if he won HOH, saying Kat and Jess would be his nominees

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what would be his thought process here?

1) He knows that he doesn't have a real alliance or many (any?) people he's truly connected to

2) He knows that when it comes to physical or endurance comps he doesn't have a chance against most of the other people

3) He knows (I assume) that at LEAST the six shooters and maybe has an inkling of more folks in it are totally running the house and everyone else is just on the outside hanging on

4) He knows that the house JUST EVICTED HIM last night.

With all that said, why in the everloving frick would he not want to make a big move and just put up kat and jess? Like what would that even accomplish for his game?

In the conversation with Tommy, Tommy was telling him the reason he went up is because someone had heard him during Cliff Notes say that Cliff was targeting the four couples (Jack/Anallice, Christie/Tommy, Nick/Bella, Jackson/Holly).

Cliff explained that would make no sense for his game because he is aware that there's an eight or more person alliance. If he were to put any one of them up, they'd all be coming after him next week.

It seems he was telling Tommy what he wanted to hear. From what I can tell from Twitters, Cliff plans to put up people who haven't been on the block and it seems Nick/Bella are safe.

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Christie can use her power to save someone so I'm not expecting much

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Only if that side wins veto though. And Christie doesn't get to make the replacement pick unless she wins the veto.

I really wish that alliance wasn't so tight. Would love to see Cliff work out something with Jackson/Holly designed to get Christie to burn her power. Put Jackson up, throw veto to him, let Christie make it a Diamond to get one of the outsiders up, and then have Jackson use the Diamond POV to put Christie up and vote her arse out.

Won't happen but would be hilarious.

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it sounds like Cliff is leaning towards putting Jack and Christie up.

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Agreed, but I actually think getting Beavis out would be better for that side.


He has at least tried to cozy up to the other side, and could potentially find allies on that side if Butthead is gone.

The others all hate Butthead and he would be on an island once Beavis is gone other than the remaining 6 shitter girls.

A couple of other observations from last night.


1) Everyone else in the house is looking at Cliff/Nicole once the vote is read, except Kat...who is looking at Bella/Nick to see their reaction:





2) BB Alumni have gone overboard talking about the injustice of Ovi, Kemi and David being gone. I know Angela just released a book but this is what my Twitter feeds was filled with this morning:

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A couple of other observations from last night.

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1) Kat was looking fine as hell again in those red pants. Dammit her body is pretty close to perfection

2) Where did nicole get that body from? She's always wearing long T-shirts but those yoga pants filled out pretty good

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2) BB Alumni have gone overboard talking about the injustice

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those tweets are funny. Those are 3 of angela's favorite players? How and why?

And saddest moment? Geez the white guilt is staggering. They weren't good players, either socially or in comps, and had not 1 but 2 chances to be in the house and blew them. It's not a friggin race issue.

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If it weren’t for Christie’s off brand diamond veto, I would have said go straight for nominating jack and Jackson, and if one came off, put up holly, analyse, Bella, etc. obviously Christie’s power changes that approach. Hope cliff wins veto regardless so she wouldn’t use it.

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Keep in mind that Jack also has the power to for a redraw of the veto players. So let's say that Cliff nominates Jack and Christie, and the veto draw turns out to be the best case for Cliff with say Nicole, Jess, and Sam (who I think still wants one of the Six Shooters gone). Jack can force a redraw, and the six shooters would have a good chance of getting at least one, and maybe two more of their group playing for the veto. And then if one of them wins the veto, then Christie can give them the power to change one of the noms. At that point Cliff would have to pray that Nick, Bella, and Kat all vote out the remaining Six Shooter. And I think Kat still thinks she is with the Six Shooters. Or am I wrong on that?