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re: Red light cameras
Posted on 5/13/19 at 4:19 pm to CharlesLSU
Posted on 5/13/19 at 4:19 pm to CharlesLSU
quote:It is VERY easy to detect, both with cameras and radar, whether a vehicle is decelerating, and by how much, with current tech. This has been possible for a couple decades, at least. Problem is, preventing people from running lights isn't profitable.
I am unaware of vehicle detection tech that is currently available to do this
quote:You serious? All you have to do is detect speed and distance. It is absolutely trivial to detect a possible light-runner far in advance with minimal equipment. Your car probably already alerts you if it detects a possible collision. Why is this so far-fetched?
Applying James Cameron-type ideas doesn't mean they are possible....at least not currently.
quote:Attempting to reduce accidents is a snazzy idea, eh? Hey, you know how RR crossings flash lights, make a noise, and lower barriers when a train is coming? What a snazzy idea!
Naïve is you thinking the field of Traffic Engineering has snazzy ideas for everything.
This whole argument is absurd. Of course the technology exists! Radar works by line of sight, so it knows how fast you're going from hundreds of feet away all the way to the intersection. And there are multiple ways to detect range, from sensors across the road (these are everywhere counting traffic), to beam breaks, to optically via the camera. It is dead simple to detect possible light runners hundreds of feet in advance, with decades-old tech. It is similarly easy to take appropriate action in response to these situations. There is absolutely no reason whatsoever that these intersections with cameras couldn't also prevent cross traffic green, flash the red rapidly, and sound an alarm to get a driver's attention in plenty of time for them to react. Well, except that it's not profitable to prevent people from running a light.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 4:42 pm to Korkstand
Your application of the tech is misguided.
red light runners HUNDREDS OF FEET in advance?!?! Outside of doing 100+mph, how in the hell are you going to determine a red light running vehicle?!
I am a licensed PE specializing in Traffic Engineering.....you are taking ideas and running with them like a child with scissors.
And, you miss to boat on how it would be used to control cars already under ALL-RED conditions.
As far as Advance Vehicle Detection (what you are so knowledgeable of), it is typically accomplished with inductive loops, radar, microwave, or video. This advanced vehicle detection is utilized to extend green times as need to ensure an advancing vehicle has adequate time/space to stop under a clearance indication (i.e. yellow light). What is NOT feasible due to the operating dynamics (and driver habits) is a clear determination of a "red light runner" and the ability to hold side street vehicles to avoid a collision. However, in implementing the 2second ALL-RED interval does mitigate this exact circumstance....going beyond the 2seconds is wasted/useless tech and/or extending a time frame that is already proven hazardous.
Dude. WTF?
ETA: The red light violations we are discussing are related to those vehicles approaching under a yellow and trying to proceed.....NOT a dumbass approaching the intersection under a red ball. Your logic is more aligned with that than the issue at hand.
Also, educate yourself MUTCD
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red light runners HUNDREDS OF FEET in advance?!?! Outside of doing 100+mph, how in the hell are you going to determine a red light running vehicle?!
I am a licensed PE specializing in Traffic Engineering.....you are taking ideas and running with them like a child with scissors.
And, you miss to boat on how it would be used to control cars already under ALL-RED conditions.
As far as Advance Vehicle Detection (what you are so knowledgeable of), it is typically accomplished with inductive loops, radar, microwave, or video. This advanced vehicle detection is utilized to extend green times as need to ensure an advancing vehicle has adequate time/space to stop under a clearance indication (i.e. yellow light). What is NOT feasible due to the operating dynamics (and driver habits) is a clear determination of a "red light runner" and the ability to hold side street vehicles to avoid a collision. However, in implementing the 2second ALL-RED interval does mitigate this exact circumstance....going beyond the 2seconds is wasted/useless tech and/or extending a time frame that is already proven hazardous.
Dude. WTF?
ETA: The red light violations we are discussing are related to those vehicles approaching under a yellow and trying to proceed.....NOT a dumbass approaching the intersection under a red ball. Your logic is more aligned with that than the issue at hand.
Also, educate yourself MUTCD
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This post was edited on 5/13/19 at 4:51 pm
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