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re: On this date 155 years ago....
Posted on 5/3/19 at 7:05 am to RollTide1987
Posted on 5/3/19 at 7:05 am to RollTide1987
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On this date 155 years ago....
The Union Army was just 24 hours away from launching the climactic campaign of the Civil War
So on this day 155 years ago, this battle had not started yet
Posted on 5/3/19 at 7:20 am to sta4ever
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but if our southern region wanted to fight a Civil War today then I’d be all for it. It really wouldn’t be regions fighting each other but more of ideologies. The Conservatives vs The Liberals
Just wow.
Posted on 5/3/19 at 7:32 am to BowlJackson
If the south won the war the history books would have been much different. History is written and skewed by the victors. The south would have ended slavery in 10 years. We would be saying today the war was about state rights and not slavery pointing to all the racist comments Lincoln made and how the south ended slavery on it’s own.
The emancipation proclamation was not made until the end of the war and the North had basically won. Lincoln was terrified if he said the war was about slavery during the beginning that the north would have refused to fight period.
The emancipation proclamation was not made until the end of the war and the North had basically won. Lincoln was terrified if he said the war was about slavery during the beginning that the north would have refused to fight period.
This post was edited on 5/3/19 at 7:33 am
Posted on 5/3/19 at 8:08 am to ctiger69
The war was about states rights. The Yankees came down here and took all our rights away
Posted on 5/3/19 at 8:34 am to ctiger69
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If the south won the war the history books would have been much different.
Obviously.
Posted on 5/3/19 at 8:44 am to RollTide1987
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Posted on 5/3/19 at 9:17 am to ctiger69
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If the south won the war the history books would have been much different. History is written and skewed by the victors. The south would have ended slavery in 10 years.
I don't believe this for a minute.
Read the Mississippi Declaration of Secession
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Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery - the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product, which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin.
There's no way the South turns away from this argument in as little as 10 years. After all, less than 10 years before the war, even northern Democrats Douglas and Pierce were willing to accept the expansion of slavery with the Kansas-Nebraska Act.
Had the South won, it is much more likely that slavery would have become even more brutal, since slaves would have had a much better guarantee of freedom by crossing a national border at the Ohio River/Mason-Dixon Line. Legally, it would likely have existed at least until the expansion of the industrial revolution into farming that happened with the introduction of tractors from 1915 to 1930.
JMHO.
Posted on 5/3/19 at 9:34 am to Macavity92
And yet, if Stonewall Jackson is alive and at Gettysburg, the South likely takes the initiative on the first day of the battle, takes the high ground, and routs the Union Army. They could’ve marched straight to Washington. They damn near did it anyways.
Lee never wanted to annihilate the Union army. He wanted to put himself in a position to dictate terms.
Lee never wanted to annihilate the Union army. He wanted to put himself in a position to dictate terms.
Posted on 5/3/19 at 10:02 am to Thorny
The best case scenerio for the south would have been for the union to permit the southern states to secede and become allies. The industrial north could have provided the south with the industrial tools needed to end the profitability of slavery.
At that point, there would have been a border war, because the south would force freed slaves to migrate to the north, who would have used force to prevent them from entering.
Eta: I agree with Sherman on one thing. The fact the war lasted as long as it did was due to the leadership and fighting spirit of the confederate forces. The only way they could win is for the north to lose their resolve.
At that point, there would have been a border war, because the south would force freed slaves to migrate to the north, who would have used force to prevent them from entering.
Eta: I agree with Sherman on one thing. The fact the war lasted as long as it did was due to the leadership and fighting spirit of the confederate forces. The only way they could win is for the north to lose their resolve.
This post was edited on 5/3/19 at 10:06 am
Posted on 5/3/19 at 5:26 pm to elprez00
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And yet, if Stonewall Jackson is alive and at Gettysburg, the South likely takes the initiative on the first day of the battle, takes the high ground, and routs the Union Army.
If the Confederates seize Cemetery Hill on July 1, Meade simply orders the Union army to fall back to a stronger position near Union Mills, MD called Pipe Creek. That's where he wanted to lure Lee to in the first place.
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