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Fair enough. Since we have equal responsibility (it takes two to tango, so to speak) but unequal consequences, it seems that your conclusion is that the consequences be even more increased on the side of the woman. That is, the woman should be forced to carry a child to term and give birth.

That would be the result of not punishing the children for the actions of their parents, yes.

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I'd argue that this is utterly unfair.

It's not about fairness. It's about biology (who carries the baby) and morality (we shouldn't kill children because they are unwanted).

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I'd be fine with outlawing abortion if men were charged 50% of the greater of (1) the woman's salary for one year or (2) the average salary in the town of residence of the woman.

Seems arbitrary.

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Men are responsible for 50% of the genetic material needed to create a child, so what we really need to do is increase their liability so that men will have similar (though not equal) consequences for a woman getting pregnant. Fair?

I'm in favor of "punishing" men who refuse to marry the women they knock up (doing so would take responsibility for helping both the woman and the child) through child support laws, but those already exist. Perhaps those laws need to be adjusted, but I haven't researched what they are today so I can't comment on that yet.

At this time, I'm mostly concerned with the life of the child. We can talk about the other related issues separately once we agree that children shouldn't be killed for the sake of convenience.

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Posted by BamaNixon

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Posted on 4/3/19 at 5:15 pm to FooManChoo

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That would be the result of not punishing the children for the actions of their parents, yes.

We punish children for the actions of their parents ALL THE TIME.

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Seems arbitrary.

It's a proposal. The goal of the proposal is to have consequences in general parity for both contributors to the creation of a child. Of course, it isn't perfect, but there's really no way to make it so.

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I'm in favor of "punishing" men who refuse to marry the women they knock up (doing so would take responsibility for helping both the woman and the child) through child support laws, but those already exist. Perhaps those laws need to be adjusted, but I haven't researched what they are today so I can't comment on that yet.

Those do exist, but they obviously don't create a situation where both the man and the woman have to consider the immediate consequences of having sex, particularly outside of marriage. By your own admission, the consequences to the female are much clearer and immediate than those to the man. Let's fix that!

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At this time, I'm mostly concerned with the life of the child. We can talk about the other related issues separately once we agree that children shouldn't be killed for the sake of convenience

I'd say that this conversation would be easier with all parties involved if the near term-consequences are as close to equal for both parties involved. There is certainly an amount of money (maybe more than I'm suggesting, even) that would (1) incentivize men to take at least an equal share of the responsibility of birth control and (2) reduce the abortion rate to the point that they are rare, indeed.

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