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re: United Methodist Church special session this week
Posted on 2/21/19 at 4:30 pm to Pettifogger
Posted on 2/21/19 at 4:30 pm to Pettifogger
quote:It depends what the cause of the choice was. For the Calvinist, the cause was regeneration by the Spirit which makes a totally depraved sinner willing and able to "choose", or rather, to believe.
This has always been the calvinistic disconnect for me. Is God "rewarding" an individual "choice" or is that reward already bestowed upon all and waiting on the willing to accept? I've always thought the leap from mere acceptance to "works-based" was pretty large.
For the Arminian, the cause is the free will and free desire of the individual that is somehow more convinced of the truth than the person who doesn't choose/believe.
This question always comes back to the doctrine of total depravity vs. a completely free will. A free will allows an individual to believe or not believe in the Gospel without any intervention by God, giving the credit to that individual if they accept it. Total depravity guarantees that no one will believe unless they are "born again" by the Spirit, which gives them the ability and desire to believe. That view gives God 100% of the credit for salvation.
It's the difference between a man drowning in the ocean and a man who is lying dead at the bottom of the ocean. The man who isn't yet dead can choose to save himself by reaching out to a life raft. The dead man can choose nothing unless he's made alive again. Calvinism teaches that we are the dead guy at the bottom of the ocean needing to be pulled on to dry land and given the breath of life again.
This post was edited on 2/21/19 at 4:32 pm
Posted on 2/21/19 at 4:51 pm to FooManChoo
Y'all stop this. This is a Methodist thread!
Posted on 2/21/19 at 5:03 pm to FooManChoo
Calvinism, to me, completely denies the fairness and righteousness of God. Why would God allow a person to be born that He was going to cast into hell without giving that person a chance to choose between God (Christ) and Satan? The bible says "God is love" and a God of love is not going to do that. If Calvinism is to be believed, there is no reason to preach the gospel because the "predestined" will be brought into the fold regardless. There is a lot more support in the bible for free will, salvation by grace than for predestination.
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