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re: Is this the greatest fold in Texas Hold’em history?

Posted on 2/16/19 at 7:25 am to
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
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Posted on 2/16/19 at 7:25 am to
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i'm the guy preaching not being exploitable on the bubble

are you claiming ICM disagrees with me? show me the math

I'd agree that the Independent Chip Model has validity, but it is not the only method that works.

It is not the only way to play poker. Some people are great readers. Some people have horrible tells. Some players show up specifically to lose.

I don't play the Texas FOLD em strategy in tourneys, but I have seen a few (very smart) players make a nice quiet (and tidy) living with it. And, no. Not "playing scared". But playing a strategy that works consistently if a monetary goal is set and met, then the player becomes far more aggressive.
Posted by EarlyCuyler3
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Posted on 2/16/19 at 7:26 am to
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that means her read was KK


No it doesnt. It means AA as well.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 2/16/19 at 7:29 am to
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And one thing no one has mentioned is does that guy ever check raise the river as a bluff?

it's possible b/c her range is somewhat capped (she just happens to have the top of that range) b/c of her line

the real question is what value he left out there, but there wasn't that much leeway (his raise was 3x her bet and that put her all in)
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 2/16/19 at 7:30 am to
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No it doesnt. It means AA as well.

not post-flop. after that there is a paired board with a lot of straights out there

*ETA: and a FD
This post was edited on 2/16/19 at 7:31 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 2/16/19 at 7:32 am to
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Some people are great readers. Some people have horrible tells. Some players show up specifically to lose.

maybe at the local $100 tourney. not in an EPT$25k buyin that close to the bubble

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but I have seen a few (very smart) players make a nice quiet (and tidy) living with it.

in local, small buyin tourneys?
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
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Posted on 2/16/19 at 7:35 am to
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but I have seen a few (very smart) players make a nice quiet (and tidy) living with it.

in local, small buyin tourneys?

In Nevada. Mostly Vegas and Reno.
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
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Posted on 2/16/19 at 7:38 am to
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maybe at the local $100 tourney. not in an EPT$25k buyin that close to the bubble
And, yes. There are stone cold losers at every table. And Doyle Brunson says there are more at the high-roller tables than anywhere else.
Posted by EarlyCuyler3
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Posted on 2/16/19 at 7:44 am to
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it's possible b/c her range is somewhat capped (she just happens to have the top of that range) b/c of her line 



Disagree. Hes never bluffing there. Never, never, never. It's always total value.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 2/16/19 at 7:50 am to
but his value is all over the place. a flush is value there

if she wasn't the BU, her range wouldn't be as wide but it's super wide. she can have a ton of combos of non-boated Qx

AA blocks AK but she could also have the same line with KJ or KT

(and if we're playing "flush hypo" then he's not blocking AK which takes the same line she did likely)

KK and QQ are highly unlikely given the flop check and turn bet.

so with a flush, you're only worried about a couple combos of AQ or KQ, but KQ runs into the same issue as the KK/QQ combos

so his value, given her line, is all over the place so he could be shoving river with anything > trips. there are tons of straights and flushes on the river

This post was edited on 2/16/19 at 7:57 am
Posted by EarlyCuyler3
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Posted on 2/16/19 at 7:57 am to
I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just not in the business of trying to bluff asian women. Especially if you think she isn't that good.
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
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Posted on 2/16/19 at 8:02 am to
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I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just not in the business of trying to bluff asian women. Especially if you think she isn't that good.
one of my oldest friends is an Asian poker player. She owns a software company, but poker is her passion. She is one hell of a player, and thrives off being underestimated.
Posted by EarlyCuyler3
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Posted on 2/16/19 at 8:04 am to
No doubt, but in general, you're getting snap called by them. That said, lady in my game folded top pair to me the other night when I raised her on the flop. Almost fell out of my chair.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 2/16/19 at 8:09 am to
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I'm just not in the business of trying to bluff asian women.

which?

when i first saw the hand, i was most shocked at the passive and NITTY play by a Vietnamese person
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
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Posted on 2/16/19 at 8:11 am to
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No doubt, but in general, you're getting snap called by them.
Not just Asians. A ton of women will call every raise with dogshit in their hand. Then they'll beat your pathetic bluff with a pair of 5's with a Jack kicker. I always try to identify the calling stations as soon as possible.
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
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Posted on 2/16/19 at 8:13 am to
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when i first saw the hand, i was most shocked at the passive and NITTY play by a Vietnamese person
So, in your world there is ONLY ONE way to play poker? Right?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 2/16/19 at 8:18 am to
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So, in your world there is ONLY ONE way to play poker? Right?

if "only one way" means making +EV decisions, then yes
Posted by EarlyCuyler3
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Posted on 2/16/19 at 8:19 am to
Posted by EarlyCuyler3
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Posted on 2/16/19 at 8:20 am to
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which? 


Either. But especially the combo.
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
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Posted on 2/16/19 at 8:28 am to
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if "only one way" means making +EV decisions, then yes
If your EV decisions include a hefty dose of reading the tells and tendencies of your opponents, then I'd agree. But if it nothing more than strictly adhering to pot odds without giving weight to human variables, then I'd strongly disagree.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 2/16/19 at 8:28 am to
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Either. But especially the combo.

i meant which type of asian
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