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re: Is this the greatest fold in Texas Hold’em history?
Posted on 2/16/19 at 7:25 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 2/16/19 at 7:25 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:I'd agree that the Independent Chip Model has validity, but it is not the only method that works.
i'm the guy preaching not being exploitable on the bubble
are you claiming ICM disagrees with me? show me the math
It is not the only way to play poker. Some people are great readers. Some people have horrible tells. Some players show up specifically to lose.
I don't play the Texas FOLD em strategy in tourneys, but I have seen a few (very smart) players make a nice quiet (and tidy) living with it. And, no. Not "playing scared". But playing a strategy that works consistently if a monetary goal is set and met, then the player becomes far more aggressive.
Posted on 2/16/19 at 7:26 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
that means her read was KK
No it doesnt. It means AA as well.
Posted on 2/16/19 at 7:29 am to EarlyCuyler3
quote:
And one thing no one has mentioned is does that guy ever check raise the river as a bluff?
it's possible b/c her range is somewhat capped (she just happens to have the top of that range) b/c of her line
the real question is what value he left out there, but there wasn't that much leeway (his raise was 3x her bet and that put her all in)
Posted on 2/16/19 at 7:30 am to EarlyCuyler3
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No it doesnt. It means AA as well.
not post-flop. after that there is a paired board with a lot of straights out there
*ETA: and a FD
This post was edited on 2/16/19 at 7:31 am
Posted on 2/16/19 at 7:32 am to Buckeye Jeaux
quote:
Some people are great readers. Some people have horrible tells. Some players show up specifically to lose.
maybe at the local $100 tourney. not in an EPT$25k buyin that close to the bubble
quote:
but I have seen a few (very smart) players make a nice quiet (and tidy) living with it.
in local, small buyin tourneys?
Posted on 2/16/19 at 7:35 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
quote:
but I have seen a few (very smart) players make a nice quiet (and tidy) living with it.
in local, small buyin tourneys?
In Nevada. Mostly Vegas and Reno.
Posted on 2/16/19 at 7:38 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:And, yes. There are stone cold losers at every table. And Doyle Brunson says there are more at the high-roller tables than anywhere else.
maybe at the local $100 tourney. not in an EPT$25k buyin that close to the bubble
Posted on 2/16/19 at 7:44 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
it's possible b/c her range is somewhat capped (she just happens to have the top of that range) b/c of her line
Disagree. Hes never bluffing there. Never, never, never. It's always total value.
Posted on 2/16/19 at 7:50 am to EarlyCuyler3
but his value is all over the place. a flush is value there
if she wasn't the BU, her range wouldn't be as wide but it's super wide. she can have a ton of combos of non-boated Qx
AA blocks AK but she could also have the same line with KJ or KT
(and if we're playing "flush hypo" then he's not blocking AK which takes the same line she did likely)
KK and QQ are highly unlikely given the flop check and turn bet.
so with a flush, you're only worried about a couple combos of AQ or KQ, but KQ runs into the same issue as the KK/QQ combos
so his value, given her line, is all over the place so he could be shoving river with anything > trips. there are tons of straights and flushes on the river
if she wasn't the BU, her range wouldn't be as wide but it's super wide. she can have a ton of combos of non-boated Qx
AA blocks AK but she could also have the same line with KJ or KT
(and if we're playing "flush hypo" then he's not blocking AK which takes the same line she did likely)
KK and QQ are highly unlikely given the flop check and turn bet.
so with a flush, you're only worried about a couple combos of AQ or KQ, but KQ runs into the same issue as the KK/QQ combos
so his value, given her line, is all over the place so he could be shoving river with anything > trips. there are tons of straights and flushes on the river
This post was edited on 2/16/19 at 7:57 am
Posted on 2/16/19 at 7:57 am to SlowFlowPro
I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just not in the business of trying to bluff asian women. Especially if you think she isn't that good. ![](https://images.tigerdroppings.com/Images/Icons/IconLOL.gif)
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Posted on 2/16/19 at 8:02 am to EarlyCuyler3
quote:one of my oldest friends is an Asian poker player. She owns a software company, but poker is her passion. She is one hell of a player, and thrives off being underestimated.
I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just not in the business of trying to bluff asian women. Especially if you think she isn't that good.
Posted on 2/16/19 at 8:04 am to Buckeye Jeaux
No doubt, but in general, you're getting snap called by them. That said, lady in my game folded top pair to me the other night when I raised her on the flop. Almost fell out of my chair. ![](https://images.tigerdroppings.com/Images/Icons/IconLOL.gif)
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Posted on 2/16/19 at 8:09 am to EarlyCuyler3
quote:
I'm just not in the business of trying to bluff asian women.
which?
when i first saw the hand, i was most shocked at the passive and NITTY play by a Vietnamese person
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Posted on 2/16/19 at 8:11 am to EarlyCuyler3
quote:Not just Asians. A ton of women will call every raise with dogshit in their hand. Then they'll beat your pathetic bluff with a pair of 5's with a Jack kicker. I always try to identify the calling stations as soon as possible.
No doubt, but in general, you're getting snap called by them.
Posted on 2/16/19 at 8:13 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:So, in your world there is ONLY ONE way to play poker? Right?
when i first saw the hand, i was most shocked at the passive and NITTY play by a Vietnamese person
Posted on 2/16/19 at 8:18 am to Buckeye Jeaux
quote:
So, in your world there is ONLY ONE way to play poker? Right?
if "only one way" means making +EV decisions, then yes
Posted on 2/16/19 at 8:20 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
which?
Either. But especially the combo.
Posted on 2/16/19 at 8:28 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:If your EV decisions include a hefty dose of reading the tells and tendencies of your opponents, then I'd agree. But if it nothing more than strictly adhering to pot odds without giving weight to human variables, then I'd strongly disagree.
if "only one way" means making +EV decisions, then yes
Posted on 2/16/19 at 8:28 am to EarlyCuyler3
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Either. But especially the combo.
i meant which type of asian
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