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re: Loomis and demps just got played.
Posted on 2/8/19 at 9:59 am to Rjlsu85
Posted on 2/8/19 at 9:59 am to Rjlsu85
Alright. I'm not sure why I'm doing this but I'll try and lay this out for you.
Let's start with the timing of AD's announcement. That was two weeks before the Trade Deadline. It logically follows, especially in light of all of Klutch Sport's actions, that they were trying to force a trade BEFORE the deadline for a variety of reasons.
Boston CANNOT trade for Davis at this time (before the deadline), and has to wait until Summer to do so, correct?
Who is the most likely team to rival any Lakers offer or can beat it? The Celtics, who CANNOT do a deal pre-Deadline.
So what benefit would Klutch have with including Boston pre-Deadline on previous teams? None. So what is the logical conclusion for Klutch? Say you won't sign there, give the Pelicans the impression they MUST do a deal now.
So that's what they did.
Now follow me further.
The Lakers: Lebron James is nearing the end of his career, right? He has played more minutes at his age than anyone in the history of the league did at the same time. That is why they tried to force a trade now. Davis is under contract through next year. Do you think the Lakers are going to punt on a year of Lebron James? No. They are going to sign FAs. If they sign ANY FA of note, THEY WILL NOT HAVE CAP SPACE TO SIGN DAVIS IN 2020. So if they don't trade for him now or this Summer before FA, he will never be a Laker, most likely.
The Knicks: have cleared two max spots and have the ability to create a 3rd via trade. They did not do this to have those FAs play with a rookie. Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving are not coming to NYK to play with Zion Williamson. IF they get #1 or 2, they will want to trade that to form a super team.
Clippers: have also created two max spots even though they are in the playoff hunt. They also received a VERY valuable pick: The Heat 2021 unprotected pick. 2021 is projected to be an insane draft, and the Heat will likely be shite. They also have some interesting players like SGA and Shamet, and a crazy owner that could possibly throw a ton of crazy picks at AD.
Celtics: They have a great HC, a great GM, and multiple assets. It DID NOT behoove Klutch/AD to say he would go there now...but this summer when faced with the prospect of playing all of 2020 in an uncomfortable situation with the Pelicans, he will almost certainly change his tune about going to a premiere, great organization. Even if he doesn't, Ainge, by all accounts, is convinced he can change his mind.
The long and short of it is that it did not benefit the Pelicans to do the deal now. It only benefited the Lakers, Lebron James, Klutch Sports, and Anthony Davis.
Yes, it is a calculated risk. But it is the right one, and you won't find a smart, unbiased basketball person that disagrees.
Let's start with the timing of AD's announcement. That was two weeks before the Trade Deadline. It logically follows, especially in light of all of Klutch Sport's actions, that they were trying to force a trade BEFORE the deadline for a variety of reasons.
Boston CANNOT trade for Davis at this time (before the deadline), and has to wait until Summer to do so, correct?
Who is the most likely team to rival any Lakers offer or can beat it? The Celtics, who CANNOT do a deal pre-Deadline.
So what benefit would Klutch have with including Boston pre-Deadline on previous teams? None. So what is the logical conclusion for Klutch? Say you won't sign there, give the Pelicans the impression they MUST do a deal now.
So that's what they did.
Now follow me further.
The Lakers: Lebron James is nearing the end of his career, right? He has played more minutes at his age than anyone in the history of the league did at the same time. That is why they tried to force a trade now. Davis is under contract through next year. Do you think the Lakers are going to punt on a year of Lebron James? No. They are going to sign FAs. If they sign ANY FA of note, THEY WILL NOT HAVE CAP SPACE TO SIGN DAVIS IN 2020. So if they don't trade for him now or this Summer before FA, he will never be a Laker, most likely.
The Knicks: have cleared two max spots and have the ability to create a 3rd via trade. They did not do this to have those FAs play with a rookie. Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving are not coming to NYK to play with Zion Williamson. IF they get #1 or 2, they will want to trade that to form a super team.
Clippers: have also created two max spots even though they are in the playoff hunt. They also received a VERY valuable pick: The Heat 2021 unprotected pick. 2021 is projected to be an insane draft, and the Heat will likely be shite. They also have some interesting players like SGA and Shamet, and a crazy owner that could possibly throw a ton of crazy picks at AD.
Celtics: They have a great HC, a great GM, and multiple assets. It DID NOT behoove Klutch/AD to say he would go there now...but this summer when faced with the prospect of playing all of 2020 in an uncomfortable situation with the Pelicans, he will almost certainly change his tune about going to a premiere, great organization. Even if he doesn't, Ainge, by all accounts, is convinced he can change his mind.
The long and short of it is that it did not benefit the Pelicans to do the deal now. It only benefited the Lakers, Lebron James, Klutch Sports, and Anthony Davis.
Yes, it is a calculated risk. But it is the right one, and you won't find a smart, unbiased basketball person that disagrees.
This post was edited on 2/8/19 at 10:47 am
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Posted on 2/8/19 at 11:22 am to Fun Bunch
I agree with most of what you said. Yes the timing of the trade request was deliberate to get the lakers first dibs on AD bcuz Boston couldn’t even enter in the process until the summer. Everyone knew before the season that the best potential deal the pels could get for AD would come from Boston and I 100% agree with that. AD throws more than a wrench in that he says he doesn’t want to go there and wouldn’t resign long term. Now on the flip side you’d have to be foolish to really believe Klutch sports is going rogue doing things on there own and not operating from what AD wants but doesn’t voice. So yes he could be just bluffing at not wanting to play in Boston but I doubt it. What reason would he have to bluff about it. He’s a free agent next summer anyway soregardless of any trade if he wants to go to LA then he can. If he wants to go to Boston he can so no reason to bluff he can do what he wants. Pels lost leverage keeping him. If Boston could’ve traded for AD yesterday I believe Tatum is more than likely in that package but they couldn’t and if kyrie leaves in the summer like I’ve said they won’t have a reason to put Tatum in any package just to gamble on AD who said he wouldn’t resign with them. Clips just don’t have anything other than SGA so what potential deal would you realistically take from them? NYK is the tricky one bcuz if they do get a top 3 pick or let’s say #1 and take Zion. While you view KD and kyrie not wanting to play with a rookie keep in mind that that’s a once in a generation rookie prospect and the fact that they could just sign AD the following summer if they had to with a cap relief trade. And also they have to get in the top 3 for the pels to really want it cuz let’s be honest there’s 3 key can’t miss prospects in this draft. So here we are basically it’s back to lakers and Celtics and one of the teams he said he wouldn’t sign long term so don’t you think it’s reasonable for ainge to tell Loomis or whoever that hey I just can’t give up that much without the assurance that we can resign him so take brown, smart and picks which would be very underwhelming at that point. So then you potential go back to lakers and try to get what they last offered and they withold one or more of the young core group they originally offered.
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