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re: Just how important is the baseball closer: Mariano Rivera related
Posted on 1/22/19 at 10:45 pm to dukke v
Posted on 1/22/19 at 10:45 pm to dukke v
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He is a closer..... He was the best at it, but NOT 100%............ NO WAY...............
The question shouldn't be "does he deserve to get 100% of the vote for the first time?" That makes it a comparison to other players that didn't get it for whatever reason. It should be "is he a HoF player?"
The answer is yes. If you're voting for the players with the greatest impact during their time in the bigs then Mo belongs on that list. When the ONLY argument against him is, "well yeah he's HoF material BUT these guys didn't get 100% of the vote so he shouldn't either," then it is a shite argument.
Yes, there are other players that should have been unanimous HoF picks and for whatever reason they weren't, but you can't argue Mo belonging in the hall.
ETA: Your post literally says, "he was the best at it." That alone should be the end of the discussion.
This post was edited on 1/22/19 at 10:47 pm
Posted on 1/23/19 at 7:41 am to Srbtiger06
quote:
The question shouldn't be "does he deserve to get 100% of the vote for the first time?" That makes it a comparison to other players that didn't get it for whatever reason. It should be "is he a HoF player?"
The answer is yes. If you're voting for the players with the greatest impact during their time in the bigs then Mo belongs on that list. When the ONLY argument against him is, "well yeah he's HoF material BUT these guys didn't get 100% of the vote so he shouldn't either," then it is a shite argument.
Yes, there are other players that should have been unanimous HoF picks and for whatever reason they weren't, but you can't argue Mo belonging in the hall.
ETA: Your post literally says, "he was the best at it." That alone should be the end of the discussion.
This is my view as well. There is no question that Rivera is a HOFer. If I had a vote, I would have voted for him. With that same thinking....all other voters would have as well..and he gets 100%. He deserves 100% because no on should be questioning "hmmm is he really HOF material?" the travesty is one of those unwritten rules of baseball.."Babe Ruth/Mickey Mantle etc didnt get 100..so no one should" Well thats in the past and cant be undone. Going forward though.. And this isnt a "who is better?" argument...Give me Bob Gibson everyday over Rivera. Give me Griffey as well (and many others who should have been 100%ers) but i have no prob with Rivera being 100% because is he a 1st ballot guy? Absolutely
(I wish my Cardinals had someonw that could make the other team play 7 1/3 to 8 innings instead of 9)
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