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re: President Trump with the Reminder - Elections have Consequences!
Posted on 1/12/19 at 10:41 am to nugget
Posted on 1/12/19 at 10:41 am to nugget
so, honestly, what's the plan?
1) dems bend the knee - clearly not going to happen
2) DJT gives up - clearly not going to happen
3) DJT declares emergency diverting disaster relief money from florida and california. this goes straight to court, not to mention he takes money from the republican leader of the house and florida (nearly 50/50 red blue). he also sets a BAD precedent that future presidents can declare a national emergency when they don't get what they want from congress.
where's the off ramp?
1) dems bend the knee - clearly not going to happen
2) DJT gives up - clearly not going to happen
3) DJT declares emergency diverting disaster relief money from florida and california. this goes straight to court, not to mention he takes money from the republican leader of the house and florida (nearly 50/50 red blue). he also sets a BAD precedent that future presidents can declare a national emergency when they don't get what they want from congress.
where's the off ramp?
Posted on 1/12/19 at 10:48 am to biscuitsngravy
Trump has said he be willing to give something up. The Dems just have to stop being absolutely bat shite crazy for 5 minutes. I literally can't respect anyone that agrees with anything they do. They're fricking nuts on this border security deal.
Posted on 1/12/19 at 11:21 am to biscuitsngravy
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where's the off ramp?
Mueller. McConnell
Impeachment.
Posted on 1/12/19 at 4:16 pm to biscuitsngravy
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where's the off ramp?
Sadly, the off-ramp will be a political calculation. That said, there are outs:
1.a. Democrats owning the majority in the House craft an appropriation that doesn’t include wall funding. This was the first bill and would require enough Republicans that don’t believe in the wall to cross over to vote for it. Presidential veto would follow, but a 2/3rds vote in both Houses could override it. Would require a lot of Republican senators to believe the GOP is viewed as causing the shutdown. (Unlikely)
1.b. Same bill as 1.a., but White House signs it despite disagreement due to political concerns over shutdown. Would require President to determine Fed Shutdown is being blamed on him by enough Republican voters (not his base, but the rest) and that it is political suicide to continue. (most likely?)
2. Democrats cave and shift $5B away from other programs to fund the wall. If it passed the House it would fly through the Senate and WH. Would require Democrats in the House (where bill must originate) to believe their recent election wins (in which they ran against the wall) are no longer their mandate from constituents and that their base believes the shutdown is their fault. (Unlikely)
Whether you agree or disagree with either side, there is no doubt the House and Senate control America’s purse strings. The President approves or uses his veto power, but he can be overridden. His role is to lead the Executive Branch. The Legislative Branch is equal and the purse is theirs. Either they will decide he has made his case to the American People and they will be unwilling to face the electorate and they’ll cave in, or they’ll believe the People spoke during the midterms and they will force the President to make his own calculation.
I believe he desires reelection and will give in.
Worst case: The President decides he does not desire re-election and digs in regardless of the political climate and the Senate cannot generate a 2/3rds vote, leaving the Shutdown to go another month and both sides get pilloried as the government employees begin to quit as they seek employment elsewhere or retire.
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