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RPO and the want to run them
Posted on 11/30/18 at 11:41 am
Posted on 11/30/18 at 11:41 am
The common misconceptions about the RPO aspect of offense are:
1. The Quarterback has to run the ball. In actuality, most RPO plays (aside from Power Read) are PRE-SNAP READ, SNAP, READ KEY, HANDOFF OR PULL AND THROW before the linemen get downfield.
The linemen are coached to block more laterally on RPO plays or to not extend blocks vertically, but rather engage and push not drive. These plays can use power/counter runs with pulling guards or zone blocking.
The Quarterback hardly ever keeps it in RPO. Look at Bama. He only runs on scrambles.
2. You can sprinkle them into your offense. You need to commit at trust your offense and more importantly your Quarterback to make the right read on 2/3s of your plays. Most successful RPO teams fully devote 1st and 2nd down to the Quarterback reading the RPO effectively and keeping ahead of the chains.
3rd down is for playaction passes and a few drop back concepts. But the fewer reads and drop back passes the better. Have your Quarterback get used to reading one key.
I’m not saying that you can’t sprinkle in RPO into an established offense without success, but the potential is unleashed (like at Bama now and ole miss under freeze) when you devote 1st and 2nd down to your Quarterback making the right read. But most of all, it needs ample practice time devoted to those reads.
1. The Quarterback has to run the ball. In actuality, most RPO plays (aside from Power Read) are PRE-SNAP READ, SNAP, READ KEY, HANDOFF OR PULL AND THROW before the linemen get downfield.
The linemen are coached to block more laterally on RPO plays or to not extend blocks vertically, but rather engage and push not drive. These plays can use power/counter runs with pulling guards or zone blocking.
The Quarterback hardly ever keeps it in RPO. Look at Bama. He only runs on scrambles.
2. You can sprinkle them into your offense. You need to commit at trust your offense and more importantly your Quarterback to make the right read on 2/3s of your plays. Most successful RPO teams fully devote 1st and 2nd down to the Quarterback reading the RPO effectively and keeping ahead of the chains.
3rd down is for playaction passes and a few drop back concepts. But the fewer reads and drop back passes the better. Have your Quarterback get used to reading one key.
I’m not saying that you can’t sprinkle in RPO into an established offense without success, but the potential is unleashed (like at Bama now and ole miss under freeze) when you devote 1st and 2nd down to your Quarterback making the right read. But most of all, it needs ample practice time devoted to those reads.
This post was edited on 11/30/18 at 11:43 am
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Posted on 11/30/18 at 11:45 am to The Levee
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The common misconceptions about the RPO aspect of offense are:
1. The Quarterback has to run the ball. In actuality, most RPO plays (aside from Power Read) are PRE-SNAP READ, SNAP, READ KEY, HANDOFF OR PULL AND THROW before the linemen get downfield.
The linemen are coached to block more laterally on RPO plays or to not extend blocks vertically, but rather engage and push not drive. These plays can use power/counter runs with pulling guards or zone blocking.
The Quarterback hardly ever keeps it in RPO. Look at Bama. He only runs on scrambles.
2. You need to commit at trust your offense and more importantly your Quarterback to make the right read on 2/3s of your plays. Most successful RPO teams fully devote 1st and 2nd down to the Quarterback reading the RPO effectively and keeping ahead of the chains.
3rd down is for playaction passes and a few drop back concepts. But the fewer reads and drop back passes the better. Have your Quarterback get used to reading one key.
I’m not saying that you can’t sprinkle in RPO into an established offense without success, but the potential is unleashed (like at Bama now and ole miss under freeze) when you devote 1st and 2nd down to your Quarterback making the right read.
^^^This^^^
Posted on 11/30/18 at 11:46 am to The Levee
QB keepers are commonly used when teams try and man up on RPO teams.
What I like about the play is that you aren’t just trying to beat a guy, you’re making the defense wrong.
If they commit to the run, you throw where they aren’t, if they drop Into Coverage you run where they aren’t.
What I like about the play is that you aren’t just trying to beat a guy, you’re making the defense wrong.
If they commit to the run, you throw where they aren’t, if they drop Into Coverage you run where they aren’t.
This post was edited on 11/30/18 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 11/30/18 at 11:48 am to The Levee
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The Quarterback has to run the ball.
How did this ever become a misconception?
Posted on 11/30/18 at 11:52 am to SammyTiger
Exactly, when you read a linebacker for example...he has to make one of three choices,
1. cover the slant or whichever route is attacking his area
2. Commit to the run and come downhill, leaving the zone voided
3. Just stand there and get pounded by the run.
RPO offenses are looking for HAT ON HAT matchups for the defensive front. Meaning we have 5 guys to block their 5 in the box. They take that 100% of the time and let your RB make plays.
Defenses always want the numbers in the box, and that’s what RPO fricks with the most.
Man Coverage is the only answer right now, but there are tons of tight split, rub routes to answer that.
1. cover the slant or whichever route is attacking his area
2. Commit to the run and come downhill, leaving the zone voided
3. Just stand there and get pounded by the run.
RPO offenses are looking for HAT ON HAT matchups for the defensive front. Meaning we have 5 guys to block their 5 in the box. They take that 100% of the time and let your RB make plays.
Defenses always want the numbers in the box, and that’s what RPO fricks with the most.
Man Coverage is the only answer right now, but there are tons of tight split, rub routes to answer that.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 12:21 pm to The Levee
And college is great because. You can get much farther down field blockig while passing.
Can’t pass block? Great duo I don’t have to.
Can’t pass block? Great duo I don’t have to.
This post was edited on 11/30/18 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 11/30/18 at 12:32 pm to The Levee
It's mind boggling how much O and E didn't trust Burrow.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 12:34 pm to Dave England
This play is barely about trusting the QB.
It’s like running a option.
You’re asking the QB to look at 1 player in the defense and react to what he does 1 of 2 ways.
There are no progressions. Any other calls would be presbapnif you want to check out of it if the defense shows man.
I remember The announcer talking about how DA told them before the Bama games that 80% of Tua’s passes were predetermined before the snapZ
That’s how you need to design a modern college offense.
It’s like running a option.
You’re asking the QB to look at 1 player in the defense and react to what he does 1 of 2 ways.
There are no progressions. Any other calls would be presbapnif you want to check out of it if the defense shows man.
I remember The announcer talking about how DA told them before the Bama games that 80% of Tua’s passes were predetermined before the snapZ
That’s how you need to design a modern college offense.
This post was edited on 11/30/18 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 11/30/18 at 12:37 pm to The Levee
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Man Coverage is the only answer right now, but there are tons of tight split, rub routes to answer that.
Clemson comes to mind here.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 1:17 pm to SammyTiger
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I remember The announcer talking about how DA told them before the Bama games that 80% of Tua’s passes were predetermined before the snapZ That’s how you need to design a modern college offense.
That meant he thought Tua picked out his WR of choice pre-snap. DA meant that as a possible weakness. LSU fans complain all the time about QBs staying on first read. DA's point was maybe pre snap we can make Tua think this is the guy I should go to by disguising the coverage and baiting him into a bad decision.
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This play is barely about trusting the QB.
Nah you gotta have trust in your guy not only read the correct guy but then make the correct decision. It's not some complicated crazy stuff but it isn't this extremely easy decision.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 1:22 pm to redfishfan
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That meant he thought Tua picked out his WR of choice pre-snap. DA meant that as a possible weakness. LSU fans complain all the time about QBs staying on first read. DA's point was maybe pre snap we can make Tua think this is the guy I should go to by disguising the coverage and baiting him into a bad decision.
It is a double edged sword. Yes it’s simple. But also you need simple with the turnover rate on college. Drew Brees was mediocre till his 4thnyear in the pros. We don’t have that kind of luxury.
There is is a difference between the staining down your first read and what a lot of these offenses do. most of the plays are designed to get 1 WR open, and maybe have a checkdown. Vs a tradintial play where you go through progressions. And clearly we didn’t exploit this weakness like we thought we could.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 1:24 pm to SammyTiger
No doubt. I thought we used the RPO stuff a little more down the back end of the year. We ran a good bit against A&M.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 1:30 pm to redfishfan
If your interested in an article about how Briles uses various concepts for verticals passing here is a great article.
LINK
It’s written by a college kids who is Mike Riley’s nephew haha, but he breaks down the film and diagrams everything so it’s clear he has some idea what he is talking about. As much as any of the sport nation guys.
LINK
It’s written by a college kids who is Mike Riley’s nephew haha, but he breaks down the film and diagrams everything so it’s clear he has some idea what he is talking about. As much as any of the sport nation guys.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 1:33 pm to The Levee
Yes, I have to explain it to even guys who played football who say "but Burrow isn't a really mobile qb, why would they want to run rpo's?".
Posted on 11/30/18 at 1:47 pm to redfishfan
Yes, they ran some against aTm, the only thing I saw wrong was Burrow was a little slow on pulling it out of rb's stomach to hit slant. I like them, simplifies read for QBs. If you do implement the qb run it brings another element/assignment for the defense to cover.
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