re: Discussion on Unforgiven

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I do have a hard time seeing it as revolutionary as people have claimed it to be. Maybe because I’ve seen a lot of modern westerns that are a lot more in that line.

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I don't remember anyone saying that at the time.

What they did say was that this was "the Western that killed Westerns."

The whole fudging and mucking up the black hat/white hat.

Who had the black hat? Who really has the white hat?

And it was bleak for the time. "Modern Westerns" have copied that aspect of Unforgiven.

We were so used to rooting for Clint over the years that we root against Hackman over almost nothing. The whores are getting a bum deal...that's the big deal...so everyone has to get murdered because they didn't get enough dollar on the ponies?

(And the whores argue that Skinny is only getting compensated because she can't work no more) - well that was TOTALLY the deal back then in the old West and small towns in the far outposts...the whorehouse owner would pay for your trip out there, pay to lodge you and pay for your food...and you made money on tips and such.

So Skinny is really out a lot of money. He's the one a judge would compensate. I mean Hackman should have locked them up for a month or something whatever they did back then for battery.

Compared to with what Munney has done?


But it's Clint on screen so we can't dislike him.

I don't know if Clint could have ever been Frank...maybe to people who grew up with Fonda thought the same thing we think of Clint and didn't buy him as a bad guy in Once Upon a Time...idk, but I didn't grow up with Fonda, I grew up with Clint movies and would never buy him as Frank.

But Clint isn't a good guy at all in Unforgiven...NOT EVEN COUNTING HIS PAST...he's not a good guy on the quest...he's going to murder people simply because he's getting paid...and the punishment doesn't remotely fit the crime and he doesn't give a shite about that.

Even Morgan Freeman says, "Will I can't do this no more" - letting us know that Clint is a POS human being who has no moral compass and really was lying to himself with his wife and farm kids.