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re: Elon Musk says we're probably living in a simulation
Posted on 9/7/18 at 7:22 pm to cajuncarguy
Posted on 9/7/18 at 7:22 pm to cajuncarguy
Elon Musk like many smart experts who haven't taken the time to understand philosophy is out of his domain on this one.
The multiverse theory is so far from being real science and is so logically incoherent that it isn't taken seriously by most philosophers schooled in origins, including agnostics. It's also not scientifically testable in any sense, failing the very claim of a being the scientific perspective.
The infinite number of multiverses theory was a way to try to explain away the beginning of the universe, which is a big problem for atheists (not as much for agnostics - who take the shrugged shoulders approach to life).
The earlier poster who was making a silly caricature of the Christian God doesn't understand the God of the Bible. That God was never defined in the Bible as being "in the clouds".
At the end of the day you have to come to grips with our existence. We are here, and we implicitly understand that the world and our universe had a beginning. How did matter, energy and time itself come to be? What creature can make the laws of the universe itself? How limitless is the power of this being?
The multiverse theory is so far from being real science and is so logically incoherent that it isn't taken seriously by most philosophers schooled in origins, including agnostics. It's also not scientifically testable in any sense, failing the very claim of a being the scientific perspective.
The infinite number of multiverses theory was a way to try to explain away the beginning of the universe, which is a big problem for atheists (not as much for agnostics - who take the shrugged shoulders approach to life).
The earlier poster who was making a silly caricature of the Christian God doesn't understand the God of the Bible. That God was never defined in the Bible as being "in the clouds".
At the end of the day you have to come to grips with our existence. We are here, and we implicitly understand that the world and our universe had a beginning. How did matter, energy and time itself come to be? What creature can make the laws of the universe itself? How limitless is the power of this being?
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Posted on 9/8/18 at 12:07 am to CivilTiger83
I love how you throw philosophy in as a freaking trump card. Wanna know some facts?
We are here, as far as we know.
The end.
We are here, as far as we know.
The end.
Posted on 9/8/18 at 1:23 am to CivilTiger83
quote:As if any other explanation of the universe’s origin is truly “coherent” and completely testable, at least to the extent that we can experimentally test and observe theories and alternatives.
The multiverse theory is so far from being real science and is so logically incoherent that it isn't taken seriously by most philosophers schooled in origins, including agnostics. It's also not scientifically testable in any sense, failing the very claim of a being the scientific perspective.
But what is arguably important to scientific inquiry than “testable” is falsifiable, and we may never have the capability to do it but I don’t see why the the “multiverse” theory wouldn’t at least as, if not, more falsifiable than a theory of origin.
Posted on 9/8/18 at 4:50 am to CivilTiger83
You speaking about philosophers as if you're deeply familiar with the most popular stances of their community then treat atheists and agnostics as if they're mutually exclusive makes me seriously doubt your grasp of the former.
Posted on 9/9/18 at 10:01 pm to CivilTiger83
Fictional character Robert Langdon came to this exact conclusion in Dale Brown’s latest book “Origin.”
It is a really good novel that touches on these questions. Where did we come from? Where are we going?
It is a really good novel that touches on these questions. Where did we come from? Where are we going?
Posted on 9/10/18 at 4:06 pm to CivilTiger83
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The earlier poster who was making a silly caricature of the Christian God doesn't understand the God of the Bible. That God was never defined in the Bible as being "in the clouds".
At the end of the day you have to come to grips with our existence. We are here, and we implicitly understand that the world and our universe had a beginning. How did matter, energy and time itself come to be? What creature can make the laws of the universe itself? How limitless is the power of this being?
It is precisely as you say. This is a bracing reality demanding that we embrace that reality with our intellect and live the life we've been gifted with every fiber of our being and with all the strength we can muster.
Flights of fancy and meaningless reveries only serve to corrupt the spirit, distract the mind and dissipate our energies.
Live fully and truly. Never quit. Keep the Faith.
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