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Posted on 8/16/18 at 9:35 pm to Bmath
quote:we have had her in therapy for 3 years
you waited EIGHT YEARS to start intervention?
She is 8 years old, that is still pretty damn early
We have been prodded to try psych drugs since,she was 5, so 3 years
And yes, I HAVE been resisting drugs of any kind
You mention that medication is not a "cure all"; newsflash, the magic "cure all" does not exist
We have been,working with her for years, we are gonna try medication for 2 months
Einstein was reportedly autistic, he never had treatment...
Your reaction suggests that we have done nothing and have ignored the issue, that is absolutely not the case
This post was edited on 8/16/18 at 10:05 pm
Posted on 8/16/18 at 9:36 pm to Derrick From Texas
quote:
i'd see a nutritionist. there is some promising work with gut biome, inflamation, processed sugar/carbs, ketogenic diet, etc. might take some serious research to find the right info.
Most of this research falls under the gut-brain axis and is only in its infancy. Therefore if you find several promising dietary studies, give each one a try over several weeks and keep a journal about key behavioral differences.
Full disclaimer, I am not a medical doctor but am finishing a Ph.D. studying microbial ecology. The field is pretty much the Wild West, and you should take many of the studies you'll find with a grain of salt. I think there is a lot of merit in prebiotic/probiotic treatments, however, bacteria on a species level are as different from one another as mammals are on a family level.
This post was edited on 8/16/18 at 9:44 pm
Posted on 8/16/18 at 9:36 pm to Beessnax
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Some of those people will attempt suicide, therefore the claim is that it causes suicide. Correlation doesn't equal causation.
As sad as it sounds, some folks are so depressed that they don’t even have the motivation to commit suicide, but the antidepressants give them just enough motivation to do it.
Same with weight gain. They’re so depressed they don’t eat, so they take an ssri, which improves mood and subsequently appetite. The ssri is blamed for weight gain. (Although the weight gain is definitely another independent side effect).
Posted on 8/16/18 at 9:41 pm to dcbl
What symptoms is your child exhibiting?
Aggression and social issues have been successfully treated with low dose propranolol in autistic individuals. It doesn't directly mess with brain chemistry like ssris. It's a blood pressure medicine and the main risks are low blood pressure and low heart rate.
If the aforementioned symptoms were what the issues were, I'd try propranolol before an ssri.
You may have to find a psychologist with experience with it willing to prescribe it for this. It's off label (not approved by FDA) but for the people it's worked for, it's been life altering (in a positive way).
To answer your actual question, I'd be hesitant to try an ssri in a young child. The suicidality is mostly a depression thing with a different mechanism than you'd see in autism, so I doubt you'd see that issue, but altering brain chemistry like that in a developing mind causes me pause.
Aggression and social issues have been successfully treated with low dose propranolol in autistic individuals. It doesn't directly mess with brain chemistry like ssris. It's a blood pressure medicine and the main risks are low blood pressure and low heart rate.
If the aforementioned symptoms were what the issues were, I'd try propranolol before an ssri.
You may have to find a psychologist with experience with it willing to prescribe it for this. It's off label (not approved by FDA) but for the people it's worked for, it's been life altering (in a positive way).
To answer your actual question, I'd be hesitant to try an ssri in a young child. The suicidality is mostly a depression thing with a different mechanism than you'd see in autism, so I doubt you'd see that issue, but altering brain chemistry like that in a developing mind causes me pause.
Posted on 8/16/18 at 9:42 pm to Ric Flair
quote:probably the simulated masturbating in public would be the biggest...
Are there a few things she does that are socially inappropriate
quote:doc did say that was an,alternative but also mentioned that it was very expensive (and time consuming, think every day for months),and has a very low success rate
ABA therapy didn’t work for us
Also, not covered
We have spent thousands on shite my wife wanted to try already...
Posted on 8/16/18 at 9:43 pm to dcbl
quote:
Your reaction suggests that we have done nothing and have ignored the issue, that is absolutely not the case
No, it was just the way that you phrased your opening statement that led me to that conclusion. However, I provided the caveat that I had not read beyond the OP to see if you provided further details.
My wife has a specialization in special education and has worked with spectrum students. She had a case several years ago where she had an older autistic child with parents trying to force him into a "normal" classroom without intervention. The whole situation was incredibly sad.
Posted on 8/16/18 at 9:43 pm to CrimsonTideMD
quote:thank you, I really appreciate your insight
CrimsonTideMD
Posted on 8/16/18 at 9:46 pm to CHEDBALLZ
quote:awesome
So far hes doing good in his first year of high school, hopefully he keeps it up.
Glad to hear that and hope so too
Posted on 8/16/18 at 9:47 pm to Ric Flair
quote:
Same with weight gain. They’re so depressed they don’t eat, so they take an ssri, which improves mood and subsequently appetite. The ssri is blamed for weight gain. (Although the weight gain is definitely another independent side effect).
I disagree with this assessment. My weight has been on a roller coaster for about 10 years. I've never felt hunger like when I started taking an SSRI last year.
Posted on 8/16/18 at 9:47 pm to Brotorious
quote:thank you
understand your concerns. I’m sure you’ll make the right decision for your family. But what if this drugs helps your daughter find a little peace and joy? I don’t know the right answer. But some of these medications help. What if it helps? What if it helps the whole family. I don’t think you’re “drugging” her up. What if a medicine helps her wiring work better?
And this is my real hope, we're trying it
Thx
Posted on 8/16/18 at 9:49 pm to Ric Flair
quote:
As sad as it sounds, some folks are so depressed that they don’t even have the motivation to commit suicide, but the antidepressants give them just enough motivation to do it.
This is basically the mechanism for the suicide risk. Depressed people want to kill themselves but don't have the energy or motivation to do so. With ssris, energy and motivation return before the mood improvement. Ergo, they now have the motivation to move forward with any plans they may have had.
Posted on 8/16/18 at 9:53 pm to dcbl
quote:
probably the simulated masturbating in public would be the biggest
ABA therapy might work for this. Our kid is just so challenged regarding communication that it didn’t work. Like a stroke patient with both receptive and expressive aphasia.
Her “stimming” is more flapping her arms in the air, as opposed to what you’ve described.
Posted on 8/16/18 at 9:54 pm to castorinho
quote:lol
quote:
I may even divorce over this
woah man,you need to relax.
Thx
That was typed in anger
Posted on 8/16/18 at 9:55 pm to DavidTheGnome
Why the need to make sure he has smart sons too?
Posted on 8/16/18 at 9:57 pm to dcbl
I was on lexapro for a few months and I was emotionally numb. Never laughed, never cried, never got scared or excited.
I’d stay away from that shite.
I’d stay away from that shite.
Posted on 8/16/18 at 9:58 pm to dcbl
My wife would divorce me if I made her home school my daughter. School is the only respite she has from the crazy behavior that she deals with while I’m at work.
Posted on 8/16/18 at 10:06 pm to HoustonGumbeauxGuy
quote:
I was on lexapro for a few months and I was emotionally numb. Never laughed, never cried, never got scared or excited.
I’d stay away from that shite.
We all have slightly different physiologies. Hence why we all react differently to various medications. It's exactly why you have to watch someone closely when they start a new treatment.
Posted on 8/16/18 at 10:07 pm to Ric Flair
quote:and my wife is staying at work...
My wife would divorce me if I made her home school my daughter. School is the only respite she has from the crazy behavior that she deals with while I’m at work.
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