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Posted on 7/31/18 at 2:11 pm to beauxroux
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I don't agree. The resume' may matter to you at this point. To me, performance as the LSU HC matters, now.
If O's record before coming here were 100-0 and he went 0-12 last year, (quoting from My Cousin Vinny) "would ya give a frick" what "the bastard" did at Ole Miss? I would not. In fact, I would fire him on the spot.
So, while resume' mattered when he was hired, it means nothing at this point. And bringing it up over and over and over and over is tiresome, boring and does nothing to advance the conversation at this point.
Edited to add: Any coach that would go 0-12 at LSU does not deserve the benefit of doubt, regardless of prior resume'.
So you treat every hire the same?
The problem we're in is that the Resume didn't matter when he was hired. When you measure resumes and you equate hires together, yes, you can easily say "Only their performance matters now." Because you are making a competent decision based on data and facts.
But with O we have the possibility of impending and long term destruction on the state of the program if we treat him like a normal hire and "give him time," while ignoring the resume. His resume tells a bad story, and allowing him to languish on 7-9 wins for multiple years would be a huge mistake. If he doesn't improve drastically, he should be gone because his resume tells us he actually cannot improve. There's no evidence of O building a program and making it better. And so far, he's been mediocre hence all of the rankings and reports on expectations.
This post was edited on 7/31/18 at 2:12 pm
Posted on 7/31/18 at 3:07 pm to The Baker
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We need to win and win now or we’re looking at a 10 year rebuild like Tenn or UF.
Negative..If O flounders this year and indeed is fired, the right new coach could have an almost immediate affect.
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Coach O’s role is to bridge the gap until we can afford a new AD & a new HC. Probably 2.5 years away if oil keeps going up.
This is crazy talk, LSU can't afford to let O bring down the program to the point people quit buying season tickets. That's the financial risk most important now.
Posted on 7/31/18 at 3:21 pm to Freauxzen
You probably didn't go back and read all my posts on this thread.
No. How I treat hire is based upon job performance and not resume'.
I agree, resume' should have been considered prior to being hired.
Long-term destruction? Not if you keep him employed or fire him based upon performance.
How much time do you think he should get? I would base the amount of time on performance. He improves-- he gets time. He doesn't-- he is gone. I don't need his resume' to tell me that.
No. How I treat hire is based upon job performance and not resume'.
I agree, resume' should have been considered prior to being hired.
Long-term destruction? Not if you keep him employed or fire him based upon performance.
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Give him time
How much time do you think he should get? I would base the amount of time on performance. He improves-- he gets time. He doesn't-- he is gone. I don't need his resume' to tell me that.
Posted on 7/31/18 at 3:26 pm to TigerCliff777
NOW # 8 FOR 2019
Posted on 7/31/18 at 3:43 pm to kduke26
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What's really at stake this year?
Every LSU fan’s first born child.
Posted on 7/31/18 at 3:45 pm to Weaver
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If we don't have any embarrassing losses this year like last and we at least go 8-4 with this schedule, I would consider that a success.
We're done at LSU if our fans say out loud that 8-4 is considered a success. what's next...9 wins is seen as surpassing expectations? 10 becomes outstanding?
It's almost like we didn't just go through a fricking decade of a coach averaging 10 wins only to have many of these same fans telling us that 10 wins was not all that big a deal...
We've got bigger problems than I'd assumed.
Posted on 7/31/18 at 4:07 pm to GeauxTigerTM
Sports is one of those things that make people blindly emotional. I think if you look at a lot of people saying 8-9 wins would be a success are trying to protect their fanhood in their mind.
If you look at the program holistically, we have been on a slide for 5 years now. It started under Les and under 1 full year of CEO has continued. This year will be telling. We lost to a Sun Belt team last year. We struggled to beat a bad Syracuse team. We lost every game to teams we played that were expected to beat us minus Auburn. We lost starters at a lot of crucial positions. People who are objective look at LSU this season and say good luck.
I think the biggest thing at stake is what I mentioned previously. The teeter totter is level right now, but we are the 2018 season away from finding out if were still a contender or fallen back to a pretender.
If you look at the program holistically, we have been on a slide for 5 years now. It started under Les and under 1 full year of CEO has continued. This year will be telling. We lost to a Sun Belt team last year. We struggled to beat a bad Syracuse team. We lost every game to teams we played that were expected to beat us minus Auburn. We lost starters at a lot of crucial positions. People who are objective look at LSU this season and say good luck.
I think the biggest thing at stake is what I mentioned previously. The teeter totter is level right now, but we are the 2018 season away from finding out if were still a contender or fallen back to a pretender.
This post was edited on 7/31/18 at 4:08 pm
Posted on 7/31/18 at 4:09 pm to LSUShock
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The teeter totter is level right now, but we are the 2018 season away from finding out if were still a contender or fallen back to a pretender.
And we're looking at the most talented LA recruiting class in a decade while on this dumb teeter totter. If it falls...it falls hard.
Posted on 7/31/18 at 4:11 pm to beauxroux
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You probably didn't go back and read all my posts on this thread.
No. How I treat hire is based upon job performance and not resume'.
I agree, resume' should have been considered prior to being hired.
Long-term destruction? Not if you keep him employed or fire him based upon performance.
I don't disagree, but his "performance" should be watched far differently from a normal competent hire where the resume mattered. Ed O should be treated differently than a normal hire, because he wasn't a normal hire. His leash SHOULD be shorter. He should be held to the SAME expectations as his predecessor, that's why he was hired. The pressure should be AS GREAT.
Posted on 7/31/18 at 4:12 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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We're done at LSU if our fans say out loud that 8-4 is considered a success. what's next
Did you miss out on people actually saying that 9 wins is equal to 11 wins with this schedule? Someone else said that 8 would equal 10. As if this schedule is somehow so much more difficult than the schedule we play nearly every season.
Posted on 7/31/18 at 4:35 pm to TigerLunatik
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Did you miss out on people actually saying that 9 wins is equal to 11 wins with this schedule?
Hopefully it was person and not people.
Posted on 7/31/18 at 4:38 pm to beauxroux
It was more than a couple, but not some big group. I didn't mean for it to come across that way if it did.
Posted on 7/31/18 at 4:40 pm to TigerLunatik
No. I was hoping it was a very few or only one. But, with the Rant, one never knows.
Posted on 7/31/18 at 4:57 pm to Mo Jeaux
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You haven’t promoted or defended O, but you sure do whine when people point out his shitty resume.
Because constantly complaining about his Ole Miss days is aggravating as hell. Calm down and realize nothing you say is doing anything but annoying the guys who actually want this team to succeed. I for one want to enjoy this season and I hope we succeed. I understand a critizism for anything he may do now, but gotdammit its getting old. We all know his past, we all know his situation. Dammmmm!!!!
Posted on 7/31/18 at 5:48 pm to The Baker
I hope not. I’m not there yet. I loved Miles but imo he left a ton of holes. Otherwise we wouldn’t be playing 7-8 transfers. O had to get creative and go find these guys to try and avoid falling too far behind. Where would we be if that hadn’t been done. Sure HC’s look for transfers but to land this many that will immediately play says a lot imo. And O deserves credit for that. Like Hester said today bottom line O was a few plays away from 11 wins. 9-3 normally isn’t that bad but I get why last year was as bad of a 9 win season as it gets. But I agree with Hester O should not be fired after year 2 unless the bottom falls out. I’ve seen HC’s struggle n year one and year two and still be trending up. It’s ridiculous imo for any HC that’s wins 9 n year 1 regardless if there’s some bad losses or weaker schedule (not his fault) that should be the odds on favorite to be fired and for it to be the talk of sports radio. Before year 2 begins. As someone said earlier on Sirius, it’s lazy journalism and click bait. She said if it’s 5 games into year two and shite is hitting the fan that’s one thing but camp hasn’t even started n year 2
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