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re: Released body camera footage shows cops stood outside Vegas gunman's door in fear
Posted on 7/3/18 at 3:21 pm to NotGrammarKnotsi
Posted on 7/3/18 at 3:21 pm to NotGrammarKnotsi
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does it change the point ?
Drastically. A dude with 50 dodge balls can't kill, or even remotely stop, a grown man in his tracks rushing him, now a dude with a semi-out rifle with a bump stock. . . well his odds of not only stopping you in your tracks but also killing you go way up. It was a pointless analogy
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Posted on 7/3/18 at 3:21 pm to Bustedsack
No such thing as “LVPD”.
Posted on 7/3/18 at 3:21 pm to Sao
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On the very video we all watched, SEVERAL transmissions came across from fellow officers down in the line of fire - active line of fire - with shot victims.
Okay? They were able to overcome their natural instincts. Not everyone can.
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Why didn't they all just stand down,too? They knew less about the shooter than stairway baw. But they went in. That's what they do. Well, some.
Because they were able to overcome their natural instincts. Some can. Some can’t. Training will never dictate who can and can’t overcome their natural instincts.
Posted on 7/3/18 at 3:25 pm to beerJeep
quote:Thats actually the entire purpose of training.
You can plan and train all you want man. All. You. Want. No training will prepare you to overcome your natural instincts.
Posted on 7/3/18 at 3:25 pm to beerJeep
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Okay? They were able to overcome their natural instincts. Not everyone can.
Was the Parkland cop doing the same, not able to overcome his natural instincts?
Your point is that he had absolutely no way through his natural insticts. I disagree. I'll give most police especially a training officer with 9 or more years of street experience more than you are.
I think this guy mostly chose not to engage. I think he has a wife and kids on his mind, I think he wanted to live. I think he didn't want to chance the automatic fire. I think this was a choice, more than natural instincts.
Can you blame the guy? Not really at all. Is he a coward? As a normal guy, no. As a cop that was needed to save lives, yes he was.
Posted on 7/3/18 at 3:26 pm to beerJeep
Is your point to defend this cop or to generalize life? What is your stance here?
This is about consequences of his actions that caused an unknown nymber of but seemingly unnecessary amount of casualties.
Just to get it on record: you think it's ok what you saw. Because his department Chief certainly doesn't.
This is about consequences of his actions that caused an unknown nymber of but seemingly unnecessary amount of casualties.
Just to get it on record: you think it's ok what you saw. Because his department Chief certainly doesn't.
Posted on 7/3/18 at 3:32 pm to Sao
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Is your point to defend this cop or to generalize life? What is your stance here
That not everyone is able to overcome their natural instincts and it’s impossible to screen out those who can from those who can’t until they’re forced into such a situation where they have to.
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This is about consequences of his actions that caused an unknown nymber of but seemingly unnecessary amount of casualties.
And what should the consequence be?
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Just to get it on record: you think it's ok what you saw. Because his department Chief certainly doesn't.
Why would I be okay with it? He failed to do his duty. I just disagree with saying he’s a pussy and all that shite because, quite frankly, if any of us were in his position, the vast majority would have done the same.
Casting stones in glass houses and all that jazz.
Posted on 7/3/18 at 3:33 pm to toosleaux
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This post was edited on 11/5/18 at 5:34 pm
Posted on 7/3/18 at 3:34 pm to baldona
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Your point is that he had absolutely no way through his natural insticts. I disagree.
Well, if he had a way through his natural insticnts. His natural instincts wouldn’t have won.
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think this guy mostly chose not to engage. I think he has a wife and kids on his mind, I think he wanted to live. I think he didn't want to chance the automatic fire. I think this was a choice, more than natural instincts
You realize self preservation is kind of a cornerstone of your natural instincts..
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Can you blame the guy? Not really at all. Is he a coward? As a normal guy, no. As a cop that was needed to save lives, yes he was.
I do agree with this 100% though. We do hold these men to a higher standard and theoretically they should be able to pass the litmus test of being able to overcome their natural instincts or not. Unfortunately, it’s impossible to screen for.
This post was edited on 7/3/18 at 3:37 pm
Posted on 7/3/18 at 3:36 pm to Dfox
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You just can't sit there for 15 minutes and do nothing while people are being mowed down
I believe he completely spaced and at that point 15 minutes might have well have been 15 seconds
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He needs to be punished for that decision
no doubt he will be
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Pay cops more? More training?
you could pay $1 million and not guarantee different outcomes
Posted on 7/3/18 at 3:38 pm to Sao
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Paddock, 64, shot through the doorway, firing at officers, Lombardo said. A SWAT team broke down the door to the hotel room. "
Pretty sure if any of those officers/security guards would have attempted to go in the room they would have been shot immediately. He had a camera on the other side of the door and shot at the swat team as they were entering.
This post was edited on 7/3/18 at 3:39 pm
Posted on 7/3/18 at 3:38 pm to beerJeep
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And what should the consequence be?
What I mean is the consequence of dicking around for 20 total minutes was who knows how many more took bullets below.
He did nothing. Not even go to the floor's door and take a peek. Nothing. Sure, no one here thinks he's going to go in like he's Buford T. Pusser but good Lord. Pop a round into something. Anything to distract. Anything would help.
This post was edited on 7/3/18 at 3:43 pm
Posted on 7/3/18 at 3:41 pm to bamafan1001
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cowards
You say that so easily. Oh yeah..
Posted on 7/3/18 at 3:42 pm to Sao
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He did nothing. Not even go to the floor's door and take a peak. Nothing. Sure, no one here thinks he's going to go in like he's Buford T. Pusser but good Lord. Pop a round into something. Anything to distract. Anything would help.
I agree. I do. It really sucks that he wasn’t able to overcome his natural instincts. Anything is better than nothing. But there’s no way to screen for that beforehand.
How do you know at hire that 9 years later this dude would freeze? You can’t and you don’t. It’s just a harsh reality.
Posted on 7/3/18 at 3:43 pm to whoisnickdoobs
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Pretty sure if any of those officers/security guards would have attempted to go in the room they would have been shot immediately. He had a camera on the other side of the door and shot at the swat team as they were entering.
I don't think that's true, I thought when the Swat team arrived he had killed himself already? I believe he shot at the security guard who was there very early on. Then the cops came and did nothing, then the swat team.
Actually yes, he had stopped shooting and the swat team waited for awhile because it was quiet and they were worried about a bomb. But I don't think they ever were shot at, I could be wrong though.
But hell, of course they should have expected shots back.
Worst case, they open some rooms next to him and hide in there while 1 guy goes and opens the door.
Posted on 7/3/18 at 3:48 pm to toosleaux
Kind of strange that the footage doesn’t show the cart in front of the door, which I believe the gunman positioned there, with video equipment hidden under a plate so he could see if anyone was outside the room. I think it’s fake. At any rate, anyone would be terrified thinking they might die at any moment. How does the cop/s know whether there are more than one gunman in the room. Anyway, it’s a fake video.
Posted on 7/3/18 at 3:49 pm to Isabelle81
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Anyway, it’s a fake video.
Posted on 7/3/18 at 3:50 pm to baldona
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when the Swat team arrived he had killed himself already?
he was dead for an hour before they went in
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Kind of strange that the footage doesn’t show the cart in front of the door
why would footage from the wrong floor show that ?
This post was edited on 7/3/18 at 3:57 pm
Posted on 7/3/18 at 3:58 pm to Isabelle81
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Kind of strange that the footage doesn’t show the cart in front of the door, which I believe the gunman positioned there, with video equipment hidden under a plate so he could see if anyone was outside the room. I think it’s fake
I know, right? They get off the elevator, sneak down the hall on Floor 31 a little bit and poof, not a sign of the cart. Huge mistake by the producers...
Posted on 7/3/18 at 4:04 pm to Mike da Tigah
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You say that so easily. Oh yeah..
Im not allergic to the truth
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