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Posted on 6/29/18 at 5:58 pm
Posted by oldtimefootball
Winnfield La
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Posted on 6/29/18 at 5:58 pm
Romans 13:1-7 English Standard Version (ESV)

Submission to the Authorities

13 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, 4 for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience. 6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for the authorities are ministers of God, attending to this very thing. 7 Pay to all what is owed to them: taxes to whom taxes are owed, revenue to whom revenue is owed, respect to whom respect is owed, honor to whom honor is owed.
Posted by Green Chili Tiger
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Posted on 6/29/18 at 6:00 pm to
Pretty sure anarchists don't really give a shite what the bible says.
Posted by burdhead
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Posted on 6/29/18 at 6:01 pm to
i want to see what others say....i have always had a problem with this passage of scripture in the situation of an evil and cruel dictator....you can't do those things under a marxist regime without being disloyal to the Master...i admit i struggle with this one
This post was edited on 6/29/18 at 6:04 pm
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 6/29/18 at 6:04 pm to
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My political opinions lean more and more to Anarchy (philosophically understood, meaning abolition of control not whiskered men with bombs) – or to ‘unconstitutional’ Monarchy. I would arrest anybody who uses the word State (in any sense other than the inanimate realm of England and its inhabitants, a thing that has neither power, rights nor mind); and after a chance of recantation, execute them if they remained obstinate! If we could get back to personal names, it would do a lot of good. Government is an abstract noun meaning the art and process of governing and it should be an offence to write it with a capital G or so as to refer to people. If people were in the habit of referring to ‘King George’s council, Winston and his gang’, it would go a long way to clearing thought, and reducing the frightful landslide into Theyocracy. Anyway the proper study of Man is anything but Man; and the most improper job of any man, even saints (who at any rate were at least unwilling to take it on), is bossing other men. Not one in a million is fit for it, and least of all those who seek the opportunity. And at least it is done only to a small group of men who know who their master is. The mediævals were only too right in taking nolo efiscopari as the best reason a man could give to others for making him a bishop. Give me a king whose chief interest in life is stamps, railways, or race-horses; and who has the power to sack his Vizier (or whatever you care to call him) if he does not like the cut of his trousers. And so on down the line. But, of course, the fatal weakness of all that – after all only the fatal weakness of all good natural things in a bad corrupt unnatural world – is that it works and has worked only when all the world is messing along in the same good old inefficient human way. The quarrelsome, conceited Greeks managed to pull it off against Xerxes; but the abominable chemists and engineers have put such a power into Xerxes’ hands, and all ant-communities, that decent folk don’t seem to have a chance. We are all trying to do the Alexander-touch – and, as history teaches, that orientalized Alexander and all his generals. The poor boob fancied (or liked people to fancy) he was the son of Dionysus, and died of drink. The Greece that was worth saving from Persia perished anyway; and became a kind of Vichy-Hellas, or Fighting-Hellas (which did not fight), talking about Hellenic honour and culture and thriving on the sale of the early equivalent of dirty postcards. But the special horror of the present world is that the whole damned thing is in one bag. There is nowhere to fly to. Even the unlucky little Samoyedes, I suspect, have tinned food and the village loudspeaker telling Stalin’s bed-time stories about Democracy and the wicked Fascists who eat babies and steal sledge-dogs. There is only one bright spot and that is the growing habit of disgruntled men of dynamiting factories and power-stations; I hope that, encouraged now as ‘patriotism’, may remain a habit! But it won’t do any good, if it is not universal.


- John Ronald Reul Tolkien
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 6/29/18 at 6:05 pm to
Ain’t reading that wall
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
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56597 posts
Posted on 6/29/18 at 6:06 pm to
It takes all of 90 seconds.
Posted by stuntman
Florida
Member since Jan 2013
10664 posts
Posted on 6/29/18 at 6:11 pm to
Tell God to get rid of those useless, cost creating licensure laws.
Posted by oldtimefootball
Winnfield La
Member since Feb 2013
442 posts
Posted on 6/29/18 at 6:13 pm to
"i want to see what others say....i have always had a problem with this passage of scripture in the situation of an evil and cruel dictator....you can't do those things under a marxist regime without being disloyal to the Master...i admit i struggle with this one"


Yes, it can be troublesome. But we have recent examples in ridding Iraq of Saddam Hussein and ridding Libya of Quaddafi resulting in worse situations. Jesus lived during the time of Roman occupation in Israel but he never said a word about overthrowing the Romans.
Posted by Boatshoes
Member since Dec 2017
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Posted on 6/29/18 at 6:13 pm to
LINK

Steve Deace Show
Ep 321 PODCAST | Romans 13

LINK

Steve Deace Show
Ep 322 PODCAST | Feedback Friday

If you've read this thread, you should listen to this.

You won't ever have a question about Romans 13 again.
This post was edited on 6/30/18 at 2:35 pm
Posted by TrueTiger
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Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 6/29/18 at 6:20 pm to
I'm an anarchist sympathizer but I don't see how you can make it work.

There will always be some organized group trying to take your shite and kill you and that forces your group to organize a defense (army,navy, etc.), That then starts the cycle of taxes, conscription etc, etc, and it's all because of the assholes next door
This post was edited on 6/29/18 at 6:24 pm
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
62051 posts
Posted on 6/29/18 at 6:21 pm to
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For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority



This is the caveat to these verses. What happens when the authorities are corrupt and reward evil and punish good?
This post was edited on 6/29/18 at 6:22 pm
Posted by TaderSalad
mudbug territory
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 6/29/18 at 6:22 pm to
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It takes all of 90 seconds.


One mans 90 seconds could be another mans 3 and half hours.
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
Member since Mar 2011
56597 posts
Posted on 6/29/18 at 6:25 pm to
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I'm an anarchist sympathizer but I don't see how you can make it work.



It takes a certain set of cultural values and homogenity to work, as well as a collective martial spirit in the face of outside threat. Barring that, a propertarian monarchy is the next best thing - I recommend you read Hans-Hermann Hoppe's Democracy: The God That Failed
Posted by stuntman
Florida
Member since Jan 2013
10664 posts
Posted on 6/29/18 at 6:29 pm to
Hoppe is very convincing. One of the best philosophers alive.

Too bad most people have never heard of him:(
Posted by stuntman
Florida
Member since Jan 2013
10664 posts
Posted on 6/29/18 at 6:31 pm to
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One mans 90 seconds could be another mans 3 and half hours.


The inuendo is thick in this post.
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
Member since Mar 2011
56597 posts
Posted on 6/29/18 at 6:32 pm to
Posted by stuntman
Florida
Member since Jan 2013
10664 posts
Posted on 6/29/18 at 6:35 pm to
Upvote.
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
Member since Mar 2011
56597 posts
Posted on 6/29/18 at 6:38 pm to
Hoppe on the Alt-Right

It's a lengthy listen but you may enjoy it.
Posted by stuntman
Florida
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10664 posts
Posted on 6/29/18 at 6:40 pm to
Posted by ThruThickandThin
The Zone
Member since Mar 2017
1445 posts
Posted on 6/29/18 at 6:43 pm to
I see that as God's wish for us. Free will
We have certainly not beholded his wishes. Time for us to change and do his bidding
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