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re: First take, klay and draymond for AD
Posted on 6/17/18 at 9:07 am to Fun Bunch
Posted on 6/17/18 at 9:07 am to Fun Bunch
Basketball is chemistry, not algebra. It’s entirely possible for Green to be a Finals MVP level player with the Warriors and an MLE level player with most other teams that don’t have the personnel to cater to his strengths and cover his weaknesses. AD on the other hand would be a league MVP level candidate no matter what team he goes to. This really is just a silly argument. Green is great in Golden State, but it’s unclear how good he can be elsewhere.
Zach Lowe and guests often talks about how he runs the defense in an elite, savant manner that reminds me of how people talk about Rondo running an offense. Even if we’re talking Prime Rondo, he’s not in someone like AD’s neighborhood.
The more I think about it the more I like thinking of Green as a defensive version of Rondo. Rondo has been a disappointment and considered a team cancer everywhere except for the 2 times he was surrounded by multiple future HOFers still in or close enough to their primes. I can see the same being true with Green.
Zach Lowe and guests often talks about how he runs the defense in an elite, savant manner that reminds me of how people talk about Rondo running an offense. Even if we’re talking Prime Rondo, he’s not in someone like AD’s neighborhood.
The more I think about it the more I like thinking of Green as a defensive version of Rondo. Rondo has been a disappointment and considered a team cancer everywhere except for the 2 times he was surrounded by multiple future HOFers still in or close enough to their primes. I can see the same being true with Green.
This post was edited on 6/17/18 at 9:16 am
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Posted on 6/17/18 at 10:44 am to TigerinATL
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Green is very good. He is not close to Davis as a player. Props to bmark for sheer audacity
For me, there are a handful guys in the league who fit that Davis profile- can do what they do outside of team context. Even then, those guys still need help to win or may need to sublimate their games to contend (Russ, prime Paul)
Rondo/Green comp is fair, especially for locker room stuff. I would quibble w/ a couple of points:
Rondo has been a negative on defense for many years due to size/effort. Green isn't putting up the same offensive efficiency outside of GS, but, as long as you aren't asking him to be a volume scorer. his passing/off ball skills would still be a positive
I do think Green is a smarter defender than Davis. His ability to read the game is incredible. Davis has made big strides here (he also has worse teammates and does more on offense), but I think Green is just a little better right now at reading the game on that end. Davis's mental game catching up with physical gifts makes him a better overall defender at this point IMO.
Draymond Green Defensive Genius
Anthony Davis is the NBA's Portable Rim Protector
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AD on the other hand would be a league MVP level candidate no matter what team he goes to
Green is very good. He is not close to Davis as a player. Props to bmark for sheer audacity
For me, there are a handful guys in the league who fit that Davis profile- can do what they do outside of team context. Even then, those guys still need help to win or may need to sublimate their games to contend (Russ, prime Paul)
Rondo/Green comp is fair, especially for locker room stuff. I would quibble w/ a couple of points:
Rondo has been a negative on defense for many years due to size/effort. Green isn't putting up the same offensive efficiency outside of GS, but, as long as you aren't asking him to be a volume scorer. his passing/off ball skills would still be a positive
I do think Green is a smarter defender than Davis. His ability to read the game is incredible. Davis has made big strides here (he also has worse teammates and does more on offense), but I think Green is just a little better right now at reading the game on that end. Davis's mental game catching up with physical gifts makes him a better overall defender at this point IMO.
Draymond Green Defensive Genius
Anthony Davis is the NBA's Portable Rim Protector
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