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re: Sign and trade cousins for derozan

Posted on 5/21/18 at 2:42 pm to
Posted by TeddyPadillac
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Posted on 5/21/18 at 2:42 pm to
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They can and would certainly roll out the Hamptons 5 v that pair for stretches.


oh i know they would, and it would be up to Cousins to destroy Draymond every time down the court and make them change. If he doens't do that, then they have no reason to change. Cousins isn't Capela, or DJ, or Gobert, or Adams, or Nurkic. Maybe when Towns gets more mature he could be an unstoppable force against Draymond. None of those guys require a special big defender to stop them from scoring. Draymond can hold his own with all of them. What should happen in a real game reffed by competent refs, Draymond would be either be in foul trouble in no time, or get scored on constantly by Cousins in the post. We know Cousins can pass the ball, it's merely him seeing the game and knowing what he as to do to succeed. I know Rondo gets left open and people complain about that, but here's his playoff stats:

3P% when wide open (Defender > 6'+) 47% (shot just under 2 a game in this scenario)
He shot 42% from 3 for the playoffs, taking 2 a game, so basically every 3 he took was wide arse open. Wasnt' that small of a sample size being 9 games.

If Rondo can be playoff Rondo, you have Jrue, AD out there, and find a competent SF that can shoot, hell just having Miller out there hitting like we know he can, the Warriors without a big to slow down Cousins can't stop that, assuming Cousins is playing under control, which may be a big assumption, but that's the vision we all had when we acquired him.



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and when Cousins is the lone big, the Pels would be in trouble.


I agree.

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There's a reason slower bigs disappear every single year in the playoffs. They are too easy to target defensively. Cousins, for all his gifts, is no different than other less mobile bigs


I agree there too, but it's not often those slow bigs have the best shot blocker in the league to play with to patrol the paint. If the Warriors want to let Steph play one on one with Cousins all game, then that's an easy way to get them out of their offense. If he wants to hit 10 3's from 5 feet behind the line in Cousins face, then fine, we lose, oh well.

You can't stop the Warriors. All you can do is try to force them into tough shots and hope they miss. I had no problem with Jrue's defense on Durant. If he wants to take jumpers all day with a hand in his face, then so be it. He does that if the guy guarding him is 6'4" or 6'8". You simply make him work for it and hope he shoots a low percentage. If he's on, or Klay is on, they are extremely difficult to beat, and there really isn't anything anyone can do about that. Both of them take contested shots all game. The reason they kill teams is because they start shooting well, and then start passing well and start getting layups. Let them shoot. If they beat you, they beat you. Make them shoot 50% from the field taking jumpers all day. just don't give them the points in the paint. that might not work at Oracle, but it's probably a good recipe in the Smoothie King.


The point of all my rambling is Cousins has to force them to play a big, and if they do, it increases your chances to force them into tough jumpshots on their end of the floor. Really wish we could have seen what we looked like with him against them in the playoffs and how much he could influence how the games were played. If his offense can outweigh his defense, making them play a slow big to defend him, then it really changes their offensive philosophy and makes them becomes more one on one than the team whipping the ball around getting 30 assists a game.
Posted by NOLALGD
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 5/21/18 at 3:59 pm to
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I agree there too, but it's not often those slow bigs have the best shot blocker in the league to play with to patrol the paint. If the Warriors want to let Steph play one on one with Cousins all game, then that's an easy way to get them out of their offense. If he wants to hit 10 3's from 5 feet behind the line in Cousins face, then fine, we lose, oh well.


This is a really good assessment. If Curry gets hot like his 3rd quarter last night you are probably losing no matter what you do. But he can't, and frankly doesn't do that every game, and neither does Durant. You have to make them take contested long shots and live with that. You might still lose but if you give up open shots and layups you will definitely lose.

The other big part of playing GS is mental toughness. When they get rolling those long 3s feel like 6 point shots. Its hard to stay focused when they hit shots while you are playing great defense. You have to be (mentally) tough enough to not let their shots affect your defense, and even more important, to not let their runs cause you to stop playing your offense.

I'm hoping this playoffs helps to make the Pels mentally tougher moving forward, especially when playing GS.
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
9634 posts
Posted on 5/21/18 at 6:17 pm to
excellent points all around

Davis as a rover, like we saw this year, would help. tbh, i thought the Pels played defense about as well as could be expected given the rosters. i dont believe adding Cousins would make it as good. but if he does indeed juice the offense, then maybe it can just be good enough?


i do think trying to beat GS in a track meet is a tough ask. i get that that is who the Pels were post injury and they were successful, but GS thrives on that chaos and will be better at it. so maybe having Cousins slows the game down some from the absurd pace we saw at times.

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If the Warriors want to let Steph play one on one with Cousins all game, then that's an easy way to get them out of their offense. If he wants to hit 10 3's from 5 feet behind the line in Cousins face, then fine, we lose, oh well.


it's interesting b/c the Pels actually were sort of taking that bet and not hedging or blitzing Curry PnRs most of the time. i think it shocked Curry to get looks he hasnt seen in about 4 years.
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