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Posted on 5/9/18 at 9:45 pm to SammyTiger
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My point isn’t about me. It’s about recruiting and Right Tackles.
He plays for a HS team that is a physical running team......he hasn’t been asked to pass protect much in his career, that’s where Cregg comes in.....
I trust this staffs evaluation of big ugly talent despite what some here think.
Posted on 5/9/18 at 10:26 pm to geauxtigs999
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Most of them that go pro are less than 270 lbs in high school and often not highly rated.
I hope he stays committed and turns out great at tackle. But if he's already 320 lbs., I have to wonder what weight he'll play at. He might easily get too big (as in slow) for tackle.
Posted on 5/9/18 at 11:01 pm to SammyTiger
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Are tackles interior linemen?
Also my main point was that this guy looks like pretty much everyone whose played RT for Les Miles. Meanwhile you keep saying Les recruited guards to play tackle.
If you had to be positive one time in your life, your head would explode
Posted on 5/10/18 at 7:28 am to Dlab2013
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He plays for a HS team that is a physical running team......he hasn’t been asked to pass protect much in his career, that’s where Cregg comes in.....
That sounds an awful lot like what routinely happened under our last coach. I think this kid is a good pickup, but it’s funny to see people criticize Les for recruiting natural guards to play tackle and then praise Orgeron for doing the same exact thing.
Posted on 5/10/18 at 9:54 am to UpToPar
quote:Not quite what we were seeing with Les. Or I should say not 100%. Bradford has the frame and length to be OT. Period. That's one of the issues with conversion. On the edge that matters, you have to keep those DL from getting into you, and when they have space on the edge it's not easy with the angles. Hence wingspan does matter.
That sounds an awful lot like what routinely happened under our last coach. I think this kid is a good pickup, but it’s funny to see people criticize Les for recruiting natural guards to play tackle and then praise Orgeron for doing the same exact thing.
The other issue is footwork, centered around being able to move the feet fast enough but keep your balance/leverage and seperation so that when you do move fast, you're not exposed to a secondary move. That's where Bradford has some weakness and is akin to a OG-to-OT conversion. BUT... it's simple development for an OT to keep playing OT.
What I see alot in this thread is the ASSUMPTION that the use of the words "road grader" means he's more of an OG than a OT. That's just a bad assumption. You can be extremely strong, and extremely strong in run blocking, and still be good in pass protection. One does not preclude the other, especially coming from a news article where "road grades" is cliche for "strong".
Posted on 5/10/18 at 10:12 am to I20goon
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Bradford has the frame and length to be OT. Period. That's one of the issues with conversion. On the edge that matters, you have to keep those DL from getting into you, and when they have space on the edge it's not easy with the angles. Hence wingspan does matter.
He’s 6’5” and 320 pounds. How many OTs did Les run out there that were significantly shorter than that? Does he have a long wingspan?
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What I see alot in this thread is the ASSUMPTION that the use of the words "road grader" means he's more of an OG than a OT.
No, people are calling him a natural guard because he’s 6’5” and 320 pounds in high school. Maybe the kid is an incredible athlete and can play tackle at that size, but chances are he’s going to have to trim down a bit to play tackle.
Posted on 5/10/18 at 10:22 am to UpToPar
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chances are he’s going to have to trim down a bit to play tackle.
If they want him at tackle, I'm sure they'll get him to do that.
The kid hasn't even signed with us yet and people are bitching about what position he will play on the line. I'm sure our OL coach, who comes from the NFL, knows what an NFL tackle should look like.
Posted on 5/10/18 at 10:58 am to UpToPar
quote:Joe Barksdale 6'5", 320ish
He’s 6’5” and 320 pounds. How many OTs did Les run out there that were significantly shorter than that? Does he have a long wingspan?
Ciron Black 6'5", 320ish
La'el Collins 6'5", 320ish
Toby Weathersby, 6'5", 300ish
Donovaughn Campbell 6'5", 320ish
We had several 6'6" and 6'7" guards.
You're focused on defending Les. All I'm saying is 6'5" 320ish is "viable" and doesn't make him a converted OG. And he's still in HS, doubtful but there might be another 1/2 inch or so in there.
No, he doesn't have an exceptional wingspan. It's average... for an OT, just like his height.
Again, you're defending Les by saying with Bradford Orgeron is doing the same thing. That is just not the case. Just because the height is the same as Les' OTs, doesn't automatically mean he's a converted OG.
Essentially you are saying:
A) heights are same between a CEO and CLM OT, therefore same circumstance
B) If heights are same, CEO is converting just like Les did
quote:see above.
No, people are calling him a natural guard because he’s 6’5” and 320 pounds in high school. Maybe the kid is an incredible athlete and can play tackle at that size, but chances are he’s going to have to trim down a bit to play tackle.
Acknowledging he's got some work to do to be able to be a starting P5 OT, including footwork. But that still doesn't make him a converted OG.
I DO think he'll have to trim down some to get his agility up to make up for a lack of foot speed. Just my personal opinion; may be proved wrong. Still doesn't make him a converted OG.
Posted on 5/10/18 at 11:13 am to I20goon
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You're focused on defending Les.
I’m not defending Les at all. I think the criticism of Les’s OL recruiting strategy was fair and warranted. I just think it’s funny that some of the loudest critics of Les’s OL recruiting are now celebrating a commitment from a kid that fits the mold of a Les OT recruit.
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Acknowledging he's got some work to do to be able to be a starting P5 OT, including footwork. But that still doesn't make him a converted OG.
Okay, so what makes Malone, or Westhersby or Collins as converted guard? What, in your mind, is the difference between this kid and any of the guards-turned-tackles during the Les Miles era?
In the end, I think the kid is a solid player and I hope he pans out as a tackle. If not, I think he could easily help us on the inside.
Posted on 5/10/18 at 11:26 am to Tiger Ree
That's great news even though the Michs, Mich St, and Ohio and Ohio St and all will continue to come after him, but he appears to be solid to LSU.
But if he is not athletic enough for OT next to Thomas, then he should be the opposite guard to Thomas on the interior to form a devastating guard power blocking duo. I mean because they are still after Kenyon Green who if they do get, well, to me he should be the OT next to big Kardell Thomas imo.
But if he is not athletic enough for OT next to Thomas, then he should be the opposite guard to Thomas on the interior to form a devastating guard power blocking duo. I mean because they are still after Kenyon Green who if they do get, well, to me he should be the OT next to big Kardell Thomas imo.
This post was edited on 5/10/18 at 11:43 am
Posted on 5/10/18 at 11:31 am to tubucoco
actually he wasn't being pursued by Michigan or Ohio State. In fact, rumor has it that he wasn't even on their boards after watching him play in person. Wouldn't be surprised to see him decommit eventually and sign with a second tier Big Ten school.
Posted on 5/10/18 at 11:31 am to UpToPar
quote:Because all 3 played guard in high school, camped/evaluated in recruiting as OG, entered the program as OG, and practiced at LSU as OG. They were OGs up to the point we had a need (due to depth most of the time) and then converted them, at LSU. I don't know what's difficult about that. HS, recruited, practiced and played at OG = OG.
Okay, so what makes Malone, or Westhersby or Collins as converted guard? What, in your mind, is the difference between this kid and any of the guards-turned-tackles during the Les Miles era?
That doesn't mean it can't be done, a la Collins and Charles, successfully. But in both those successful cases we're talking some really special athleticism. Personally, I think the athleticism Charles has is far beyond Collins. The only reason he isn't a stud OT right now is... you guessed it... he hasn't had enough time at the position. Because he's converted. He will be, soon, very soon. But years at OT from HS on does help one develop as... an OT.
Fact of the matter is I griped about Grimes not recognizing Charles' potential at OT earlier. I'm of the belief that if you have a guy who can play either (with the natural talent/athleticism) to be either: he's an OT. It's not debatable- OTs are more valuable.
ETA: one way of putting it-
All OTs can be guards, but not all guards can be OTs.
Richt recruited/recruits along those lines or with that mentality. For years they always seemed to have a lifelong OT playing OG, not the other way around. It works better from a development and depth perspective. Yeah, not a 100% accurate rule-of-thumb, but that does seem to work better.
This post was edited on 5/10/18 at 11:38 am
Posted on 5/10/18 at 11:34 am to ImportedfromDetroit
Read the rest of what I posted, I think he could be a really good guard, maybe not OT because he probably isn't athletic enough for college ball. It may work in high school, but your deficiencies will quickly show up in college ball, but I just think Kenyon Green is the more natural fit at OT if they get him of course. And that wasn't me that down voted you, just sayin. Lol
This post was edited on 5/10/18 at 11:44 am
Posted on 5/10/18 at 11:39 am to I20goon
They have a real OLine coah now for the first time I can say in awhile. I kept hoping that they would hire Mawae, but Cregg is just as good, he'll turn them into NFL ready Olineman.
Posted on 5/10/18 at 11:43 am to tubucoco
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James Cregg
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This post was edited on 5/10/18 at 11:44 am
Posted on 5/10/18 at 11:47 am to tubucoco
quote:This just might be true.
I think he could be a really good guard, maybe not OT because he probably isn't athletic enough for college ball.
If if not, Green is a better OT (as it stands now) due to the athleticsm alone. Bradford doesn't slow us down one bit on Green. Even if Bradford develops the footwork required, we still want Green.
On the flip side, if Kardell Thomas had more wingspan/height he'd be an awesome OT. He doesn't, but damn if he did! As far as technique, for a high schooler, it's very special. His footwork with base/posture and still maintaining a "punch" is exceptional. And so damn agile.
Posted on 5/10/18 at 12:15 pm to Tiger Ree
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"LSU, they project me at tackle," Bradford said, "because Kardell Thomas is coming in same class and we would be playing together and we would be a dominant right side. They want to run the ball and play hard nosed football and Kardell is a beast. I can't want to play next to him. I think he is a similar player to me."
Arent they both projected at tackle?
Posted on 5/10/18 at 12:16 pm to tubucoco
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They have a real OLine coah now for the first time I can say in awhile.
Lol. a real coach now? but you wanted mawae? a guy that never coached before.
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