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Syria: Corker, Gramnesty & dems all on the same page
Posted on 4/18/18 at 8:14 am
Posted on 4/18/18 at 8:14 am
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why are these two extreme cucks and the dems interested so much in keeping us in Syria? Is this the only point of contention in the world? Are the bad guys just really really bad in Syria, but nowhere else? things that make you go hmmm
why are these two extreme cucks and the dems interested so much in keeping us in Syria? Is this the only point of contention in the world? Are the bad guys just really really bad in Syria, but nowhere else? things that make you go hmmm
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US lawmakers jolted by Syria briefing, Pentagon warns of IS resurgence
Washington (AFP) - The US military's hands-off approach on the ground in Syria is ceding influence to Russia and Iran, a top lawmaker warned Tuesday, as the Pentagon said it has seen the Islamic State "resurge" in parts of the country.
Senate Foreign Relations Committee chairman Bob Corker said Moscow and Tehran have "significant influence" in the war-ravaged Middle Eastern nation due to their years-long commitment, while President Donald Trump signals the US could be headed for the exits there.
When asked whether he wanted a greater US troop presence to shape events in Syria, Corker was somber.
"I think the administration's plans are to complete the efforts against ISIS and to not be involved," he said, using another acronym for the jihadist group.
A frustrated Corker spoke after exiting a classified briefing by Secretary of Defense James Mattis and top generals, who explained the Pentagon's strategy to lawmakers following last weekend's missile strikes on Syria.
"Syria is Russia and Iran's now. They will be determining the future," he said.
"We may be at the table, but when you're just talking and have nothing to do with shaping what's happening on the ground, you're just talking."
Republican Senator Lindsey Graham, expressed alarm about a lack of US engagement in the country where insurgents have waged a brutal civil war against the regime of President Bashar al-Assad.
"Everything in that briefing made me more worried, not less," he said.
- 'All tweet, no action' -
"There is no military strategy on the table to deal with the malign influence of Iran and Russia," Graham said.
After the pinpoint air strikes that Trump telegraphed on social media, "I think Assad... believes we're all tweet, no action," he added.
Democrats joined in the criticism, with Senator Chris Coons, warning that Trump's administration has "failed to deliver on a coherent plan" in Syria.
"If we completely withdraw, our leverage in any diplomatic resolution or reconstruction, or any hope for a post-Assad Syria, goes away."
Meanwhile, Colonel Ryan Dillon, a spokesman for the US-led coalition fighting IS in Syria and Iraq, said Assad's regime and Russia have not always been able to hold the terrain recaptured from IS.
"As we look at ISIS in areas where we are not operating, where we are not supporting our partners on the ground, there has been ISIS elements who have been able to come back and take territory (including in) some of the neighborhoods in southern Damascus," Dillon said.
"We've seen ISIS start to resurge in areas west of the Euphrates River."
The US military is closely watching IS in Syria and Iraq, where the jihadists have lost 98 percent of the land they once held, according to the Pentagon.
Progress however has halted in recent weeks in areas where the US-led coalition is fighting IS through the Syrian Democratic Forces, a local proxy group, due to Turkish military action in the north.
Ankara in January launched a bloody operation around Afrin to push Kurdish fighters out of the city.
Many of the Kurds who had been engaged in anti-IS operations have quit that fight to support comrades in Afrin.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 8:17 am to KeyserSoze999
Anyone else think that relatively young (for congress) people like Corker or Ryan choosing not to run again are actually saving themselves from trouble from the eventual exposure that will occur when the details of that congressional hush fund is finally disclosed in the future?
ETA: Sorry for the off topic remark.
Invading Syria directly would be a huge mistake. We can keep the region sufficiently unstable by targeted air strikes.
I don't think I understand what motive we would have to put troops on the ground.
ETA: Sorry for the off topic remark.
Invading Syria directly would be a huge mistake. We can keep the region sufficiently unstable by targeted air strikes.
I don't think I understand what motive we would have to put troops on the ground.
This post was edited on 4/18/18 at 8:50 am
Posted on 4/18/18 at 8:18 am to KeyserSoze999
I just don't understand what they want to do. I get that if we got involved about a decade ago we could influence the outcome but what are we supposed to do now? Go to war with Russia? Invade Syria? No thank you.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 8:18 am to KeyserSoze999
Those two useless fricks have got to go.
Corkhole is done. I wish Grahamnesty would get primaried. I think he plans to stay for like 40 years.
Corkhole is done. I wish Grahamnesty would get primaried. I think he plans to stay for like 40 years.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 8:21 am to KeyserSoze999
The war machine springs to life
Opens up one eager eye
Focus it on the sky
As 99 red balloons go by
Opens up one eager eye
Focus it on the sky
As 99 red balloons go by
Posted on 4/18/18 at 8:23 am to KeyserSoze999
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why are these two extreme cucks and the dems interested so much in keeping us in Syria?
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Permanent war
Posted on 4/18/18 at 8:32 am to KeyserSoze999
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why are these two extreme cucks and the dems interested so much in keeping us in Syria?
To keep the money flowing into their Swiss bank accounts from their Arab masters?
To keep Mossad from leaking their pedo-pics?
To generate more sales in military equipment for their war-machine lobbists?
Genuine concern for the safety and well being of the Syrian people at the risk of our soldiers and at our cost?
BTW - John McCain is dying of brain cancer*. Anyone else would hang it up, go to the house, spend time with family and friends.
Either is family can't stand him and DC is all he has, he loves his work more than his family and they respect that, or he must be in an unbelievably compromising position and they have decided that he must be their slave until death.
* Note: Maybe he's not dying of brain cancer.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 8:35 am to keks tadpole
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Maybe he's not dying of brain cancer.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 8:36 am to KeyserSoze999
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The US military's hands-off approach on the ground in Syria is ceding influence to Russia and Iran, a top lawmaker warned Tuesday
I have no problem with this.
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the Pentagon said it has seen the Islamic State "resurge" in parts of the country.
Well, we did bomb the people who were the most effective against ISIS...
Posted on 4/18/18 at 8:38 am to KeyserSoze999
I would not be surprised in the least if the deep state or the democrats or some foreign actors have some nasty stuff on graham that they use for their benefit.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 8:39 am to member12
Probable. You don't walk away from the epicenter of power on Earth without a good reason.
We don't need to be in Syria at all.
We don't need to be in Syria at all.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 8:41 am to LuckyTiger
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I would not be surprised in the least if the deep state or some foreign actors have some nasty stuff on at least a quarter of the members of Congress that they use for their benefit.
FIFY
Posted on 4/18/18 at 8:43 am to imjustafatkid
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Well, we did bomb the people who were the most effective against ISIS...
this is why we need to be the F out. Leave these problems, and focus on our own borders
Posted on 4/18/18 at 8:46 am to GnashRebel
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I just don't understand what they want to do. I
If the dems are for it, it's because they want to be able to hang it on Trump for the upcoming elections.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 8:50 am to keks tadpole
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We don't need to be in Syria at all.
Not at this time. If the goal of the US and western Europe was to keep the region unstable, we could certainly accomplish that without troops.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 9:01 am to KeyserSoze999
I was just coming here to make a thread on this article.
It may be very short sided on my part but I don't really care if Syria becomes an Iranian/Russian sub-state. It already was to some degree.
I am sorry that we couldn't aid the people of that area in becoming free. However, I don't think that was ever a possibility anyway. As we have seen over and over, culturally that region is largely incompatible with democratic values.
The truth is Russia and Iran are bad actors/authoritarian regimes, and because of that they have the ability to get their hands dirty. They can do the things that we simply cannot do (openly) while staying in line with the values that we proclaim as a nation. All of that is to say, they can wholesale kill large swaths of the population, which is only path to victory that I can see in most Middle East conflicts.
Iran, Syria and Russia all have massive sanctions against them. Hopefully we will reinstate the sanctions against Iran to their previous levels. They are all struggling economies.
Let them commit their limited resources to continuing this engagement for the next decade. If they are successful, the worst case is that they will have completed a genocide against the Sunni population in the area, completely eliminating the ISIS base.
I cannot make a good case that Syria would be much better off if Assad were overthrown and some type of new Sunni back Muslim brotherhood took over.
It's disgusting and I feel somewhat ashamed to write this, but I would rather see all of this happen then for us to commit more American lives and money to this situation.
It may be very short sided on my part but I don't really care if Syria becomes an Iranian/Russian sub-state. It already was to some degree.
I am sorry that we couldn't aid the people of that area in becoming free. However, I don't think that was ever a possibility anyway. As we have seen over and over, culturally that region is largely incompatible with democratic values.
The truth is Russia and Iran are bad actors/authoritarian regimes, and because of that they have the ability to get their hands dirty. They can do the things that we simply cannot do (openly) while staying in line with the values that we proclaim as a nation. All of that is to say, they can wholesale kill large swaths of the population, which is only path to victory that I can see in most Middle East conflicts.
Iran, Syria and Russia all have massive sanctions against them. Hopefully we will reinstate the sanctions against Iran to their previous levels. They are all struggling economies.
Let them commit their limited resources to continuing this engagement for the next decade. If they are successful, the worst case is that they will have completed a genocide against the Sunni population in the area, completely eliminating the ISIS base.
I cannot make a good case that Syria would be much better off if Assad were overthrown and some type of new Sunni back Muslim brotherhood took over.
It's disgusting and I feel somewhat ashamed to write this, but I would rather see all of this happen then for us to commit more American lives and money to this situation.
This post was edited on 4/18/18 at 9:04 am
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