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re: The four arguments against military style full semi automatic assault rifles
Posted on 3/2/18 at 11:31 am to Pettifogger
Posted on 3/2/18 at 11:31 am to Pettifogger
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If we don't share a fundamental view about individual rights
Curiously the right was responsible for trampling our 1st Amendment rights in the 50s with the Red Scare, then the right trampled our 4th and 5th Amendment rights in the 80s with the WOD, and now our 8th Amendment rights are being trampled by the justice system - largely supported by the right.
...just an observation about how we may or may not share a fundamental view regarding the protection of our rights.
Posted on 3/2/18 at 11:32 am to ShortyRob
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OP is correct but I have to gripe about the use of the term "full semi automatic"
WTF is that.
CNN lib-speak
Posted on 3/2/18 at 11:33 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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If the US government issued an '03 Springfield and a Stevens SXS to each able bodied male
Glad to hear you are not "pro choice".
This post was edited on 3/2/18 at 11:34 am
Posted on 3/2/18 at 11:34 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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Imagine, if you will, the federal government confiscating all guns from the People, prohibiting the purchase/sale of all firearms, and issuing the Springfields and the Stevens. Would our right to bear arms be infringed?
Imagine if the government took over all forms of media, banned the creation of new media sources, and then only allowed communication on two government sanctioned media sources. Would you consider that an infringement on your right to free speech?
Posted on 3/2/18 at 11:34 am to ngadawg250
I don't know why you guys are even engaging with that tard.
Posted on 3/2/18 at 11:36 am to SoulGlo
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Good luck stopping me from buying more.
I'm thinking of a total ban on the purchase and sale of firearms.
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Prohibiting the sale and manufacture of arms is an infringement.
Now here it is.
Is it really if arms are issued? We would still maintain the right to use them for defense, harvesting food, and sport. What about the 2nd A protects our right specifically to trade arms?
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Your argument...
It's more of a hypothetical question as to the reach of the protection of the right to bear arms. It just seems to me that the government could make the legal argument that they could confiscate arms as long as they issued them - thus allowing the People to bear them.
Posted on 3/2/18 at 11:36 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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Curiously the right was responsible for trampling our 1st Amendment rights in the 50s with the Red Scare,
This is debatable.
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then the right trampled our 4th and 5th Amendment rights in the 80s with the WOD
I am with you... but big government isn't "right."
You don't seem to have a problem with the 4th Amendment being shite on by the FBI, DOJ, and IRS in the last administration.
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now our 8th Amendment rights are being trampled by the justice system - largely supported by the right.
again, big government is not "right."
And I'm with you again.
Aaand, the 2nd Amendment is the last resort for us as The People to protect our 1st, 4th, 5th, and 8th Amendment Rights.
Posted on 3/2/18 at 11:36 am to Centinel
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I don't know why you guys are even engaging with that tard.
Only for the sport!
Posted on 3/2/18 at 11:37 am to Centinel
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I don't know why you guys are even engaging with that tard.
I give him credit for having the balls to engage.
Posted on 3/2/18 at 11:37 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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Imagine, if you will, the federal government confiscating all guns from the People, prohibiting the purchase/sale of all firearms, and issuing the Springfields and the Stevens. Would our right to bear arms be infringed?
While we are touting stupid hypotheticals that will never happen, what if the government let you say whatever you wanted, as long as they approved of it?
Posted on 3/2/18 at 11:40 am to SoulGlo
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in·fringe in'frinj verb actively break the terms of (a law, agreement, etc.). "making an unauthorized copy would infringe copyright" synonyms: contravene, violate, transgress, break, breach; More act so as to limit or undermine (something); encroach on. "his legal rights were being infringed" synonyms: restrict, limit, curb, check, encroach on;
That really doesn't seem to support your position.
How is your right to bear arms infringed if the law allows you to possess them and use them at will?
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banning the manufacture and sale of weapons is infringement.
Technically it wouldn't ban the manufacture, just restrict it. And, again, the 2nd A doesn't protect our right to trade arms, just bear them. If we were issued arms, we could bear them at will.
Posted on 3/2/18 at 11:40 am to SoulGlo
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CNN lib-speak
It was actually an alleged infantry-man. The retard hit the CNN reporter with "Now, watch me try to shoot in full-semi automatic"
Told me everything I needed to know about the leftist new gun grab attempts.
Posted on 3/2/18 at 11:42 am to TaderSalad
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For the sake of your "argument,"
It's not an argument, it's a hypothetical exercise to see how far the government could legally go in restricting what types of arms we are allowed to bear.
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I also dont try to invent something that wont happen in order for a "gotcha" moment.
Well, now, aren't you special.
Posted on 3/2/18 at 11:45 am to Bayou_Tiger_225
quote:Would they restrict what could be said? Would it be free?
Imagine if the government took over all forms of media, banned the creation of new media sources, and then only allowed communication on two government sanctioned media sources. Would you consider that an infringement on your right to free speech?
I've thought of something similar with regards to political campaigns such that no money would be allowed to be spent on the campaign, and all campaign speech would be restricted to public space - C-Span, public television and radio, and coverage by the press.
...but that's a discussion for another thread.
Posted on 3/2/18 at 11:48 am to SoulGlo
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big government isn't "right."
No, but the WOD was.
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the 2nd Amendment is the last resort for us as The People to protect our 1st, 4th, 5th, and 8th Amendment Rights.
Well, we've largely lost our 1st, 4th, 5th and 8th Amendment rights, so how is the 2nd protecting them again?
Posted on 3/2/18 at 11:49 am to TaderSalad
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the government arming us is a terrible idea.
BTW, I've never advocated that it was a good idea. I'm simply asking that if it were the case, would they still legally be protecting our right to bear arms?
After all, they would be actually issuing arms to the People.
Posted on 3/2/18 at 12:11 pm to SoulGlo
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This post was edited on 5/27/23 at 2:32 pm
Posted on 3/2/18 at 12:13 pm to SoulGlo
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4. "You will not stop the US military with an AR-15, so it is pointless to have one."
My Vietnam vet buddies said the majority of the VC fighters they were up against had German mausers and French weapons from WW2, very few AK’s
Posted on 3/2/18 at 12:21 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Curiously the right was responsible for trampling our 1st Amendment rights in the 50s with the Red Scare, then the right trampled our 4th and 5th Amendment rights in the 80s with the WOD, and now our 8th Amendment rights are being trampled by the justice system - largely supported by the right.
...just an observation about how we may or may not share a fundamental view regarding the protection of our rights.
Hypocrisy is not a valid defense, stay on subject.
Posted on 3/2/18 at 12:21 pm to TaderSalad
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Excellent post.
ETA: Brace yourself for the fricktards.
Somehow the liberals have not down voted him at all.
:somethingsfrickygif:
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