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re: California school science project that connected race and IQ is pulled after complaints

Posted on 2/11/18 at 11:18 am to
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
51958 posts
Posted on 2/11/18 at 11:18 am to
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It was irrelevant to the discussion of the fact it was banned. Don't try to be coy.


I was direct responding in agreement to what someone else said.


ARE YOU CALLING MY OPINION IRRELEVANT! DON’T YOU TRY TO CENSOR ME!



The fact that you basically just said that everyone’s comments get viewed through the lens of what you feel is the most germaine issue...well. It explains a lot about your posting method.


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They don't ban shitty presentations. And you know it. You're just trying to be slick.


Actually no.

I’m just repeating what I’ve already said. But leaving you no room to wiggle with it. Because it’s somehow MY fault and lazy if I grant you room to jump to whatever conclusion you want.

For instance, the above statement:

As stated above in response to your earlier argument.

I didn’t deny they pulled it. That it was censorship. But arguing ANYTHING controversial without strong merit justifying the position is a mine field.

You are damned right I would pull a half assed work whose own provided data contradicts its claimed conclusion but still caused a shite storm.

Here is what we know are undiluted facts:
1) The poster went up Monday
2) It had shitty methods and presentation. He literally spent less than an hour putting it together. fricked up scissor cuts and crooked sheets all over.
3) He remained for 3 days, not an immediate withdrawal.
4) There was a building backlash because of the PC



That’s plenty of time for a teacher to see the presented data, punch it into excell, and t-test it. If that turned out to not fit the data, hell fricking yes I would pull that shite.

Put succinctly, WHY THE frick DO YOU WANT THE PRINCIPAL TO TAKE HEAT OVER SOMETHING THE STUDENT DOESNT GIVE A shite ABOUT.

For fricks sake, here is part of the poster. At a elite, high performing HIGH school student project.
















It’s so over the top shitty that I can’t discount the possibility it’s a deliberate troll job. A “Hey look, I’m smarter than you and look at how shitty this is.”

Only thing missing are the crayons.

Similarly, as stated above, I can’t discount the possibility that his data doesn’t fit his conclusion, starting controversy over nothing and actually poisoning the well of legit conversation.

I feel these both have equal or even higher possibility of being what happened compared to your read that it is definitely censorship because of admin not liking the subject material.

But digging in and recognizing these possibilities are lazy and obtuse. Better to just leap assuming you know all the facts because you heard this story before.


But going back to the whole “liberal” comment: expecting an audience just because is as participation award as they come. And it isn’t like it was banned outright.

Dealing with the consequences of your actions falling short seems to fit in with traditional conservative ideals of self sufficiency
This post was edited on 2/11/18 at 11:21 am
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 2/11/18 at 11:47 am to
That's a lot of writing to refute nothing.

You don't ban shitty presentations. You refute them and/or point out their errors.

The ONLY reason they banned this one is subject matter. You know as well as I do that an equally crappy presentation that posited that opposing illegal immigration was racist wouldn't be touched. Along with about 20 other possible presentations. That's why you avoided my post with those examples.

You know it. You can type another 500 words if you like, but you know it. So save your breath.
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
51958 posts
Posted on 2/11/18 at 11:48 am to
His conclusion:



While there isn't enough information to definitely make any determination, I do have enough to suggest that it does fail crude "rule of thumb" tests. 30 points of difference would be a mark of statistical difference (two deviations on the IQ bell curve) by this crude test.


That doesn't mean it is wrong, you need the full data set to say that. But it does tell us there is a significant chance that there is no difference, and the differences from the averages is sampling bias.

Also, the lack of any language involving p-values or the like indicates he did not do the further testing.

But hey, at least he kept the theme of crooked lines.

It IS Sacramento, maybe it is a "deconstructed science fair project."
Posted by NeonSunburst
Member since Oct 2010
2798 posts
Posted on 2/11/18 at 12:01 pm to
I've judged many science fair projects and we grade in content and the child's ability to describe their project. The actual appearance of the presentation board isn't a huge factor in grading.
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