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re: For Episcopalians, God is Officially Gender Fluid (or whatever)

Posted on 2/9/18 at 10:50 am to
Posted by skrayper
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Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 2/9/18 at 10:50 am to
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Either the entire Bible is inspired or none of it is. The Bible claims to be the inspired word of God and all of it was written down by men, even the apparent words of Jesus.


That limitation is why there is rarely a soft debate on Biblical scripture. Once you try and question any part of it, people get defensive because of the supposed "all or nothing" context. State that you don't think the entire human race began with a man and woman being hoodwinked by a snake, and you're trying to tell people Jesus never existed.

For example, several books attributed to Paul are considered by most scholars as pseudepigraphic.

Ephesians
First Timothy
Second Timothy
Titus

It is people believing that the Bible is "all or nothing" that would mean this makes the entire Bible invalid - others would simply presume that people millennia ago lacked the resources to validate certain books and letters.

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If the Bible is the word of God, then all of it is important for study and understanding, not just the letters that some publishers put in red.


The entire Bible doesn't have to be the Word of God to be important.
Posted by Champagne
Already Conquered USA.
Member since Oct 2007
48694 posts
Posted on 2/9/18 at 10:55 am to
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I think the concept of God having a gender is just a limitation of the human psyche.


I like this thought.

I'm not sure about the rest of your ideas here.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41869 posts
Posted on 2/9/18 at 11:21 am to
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That limitation is why there is rarely a soft debate on Biblical scripture. Once you try and question any part of it, people get defensive because of the supposed "all or nothing" context.
If the Bible (all of it) is not inspired, then it is nothing more than one collection of writings among many with no more intrinsic value than any other text written by men. There's a reason why there is rarely "soft debate" on the inspiration of Scripture, because the entire Christian faith is dependent on this topic.

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State that you don't think the entire human race began with a man and woman being hoodwinked by a snake, and you're trying to tell people Jesus never existed.
There is merit to that line of thinking. Paul wrote that because of the sin of Adam, all have sinned and require a savior. If Jesus is the "new Adam", that requires an "old Adam". If Adam was nothing more than allegory, then original sin and federal headship have no basis in reality and thus Jesus didn't have to come to take away sin and there is no basis for Him being a Christian's "federal head" (representative). Important Christian theology hinges on the reality of Adam.

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For example, several books attributed to Paul are considered by most scholars as pseudepigraphic.

Ephesians
First Timothy
Second Timothy
Titus

It is people believing that the Bible is "all or nothing" that would mean this makes the entire Bible invalid - others would simply presume that people millennia ago lacked the resources to validate certain books and letters.
I suppose it's a good thing that modern scholars weren't responsible for canonization of the scriptures, then.

Some scholars dispute whether those books were written by Paul but scholarly disputation is not enough to conclude the truth of it. There are scholars who argue the opposite.

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The entire Bible doesn't have to be the Word of God to be important.
Importance is based on it being the word of God. If anything written is not the word of God, those things should be discarded entirely.
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