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Interventionism in the Spanish American War is why we have the obligations we have today
Posted on 1/1/18 at 10:58 am
Posted on 1/1/18 at 10:58 am
When people like me advocate for less interventionism we are often criticized and called isolationist. People say our policies of isolationism led to WWII.
I say BS.
At the turn of the 20th century there was an attitude of moral superiority across the USA. People like Teddy Rosevelt wanted war and wanted the USA to build an empire. TR couldn't wait for a war with the Spaniards and when he got it his Navy was very effective in the Philippines. After the surrender of the Spaniards we basically ran the islands and killed hundreds of thousands of Phillipino natives. (read about the Philippine-American war here LINK)
It is this interventionist action that put us in the sights of the imperialist in Japan.
Latter we were forced to intervene in WWI, our second interventionist act. During WWI Japan used the war to grab territory setting up a confrontation with the USA that led to Pearl Harbor.
There is no question the acts of the US in Spanish American War and in WWI led to our involvement in WWII and all the subsequent, almost non stop wars we have been in since.
It is time to change.
There is no virtue in interventionism and no sin in military isolationism.
I say BS.
At the turn of the 20th century there was an attitude of moral superiority across the USA. People like Teddy Rosevelt wanted war and wanted the USA to build an empire. TR couldn't wait for a war with the Spaniards and when he got it his Navy was very effective in the Philippines. After the surrender of the Spaniards we basically ran the islands and killed hundreds of thousands of Phillipino natives. (read about the Philippine-American war here LINK)
It is this interventionist action that put us in the sights of the imperialist in Japan.
Latter we were forced to intervene in WWI, our second interventionist act. During WWI Japan used the war to grab territory setting up a confrontation with the USA that led to Pearl Harbor.
There is no question the acts of the US in Spanish American War and in WWI led to our involvement in WWII and all the subsequent, almost non stop wars we have been in since.
It is time to change.
There is no virtue in interventionism and no sin in military isolationism.
This post was edited on 1/1/18 at 11:13 am
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Posted on 1/1/18 at 11:02 am to I B Freeman
The Spanish-American War was a bad arse war, bruh. Do you even San Juan Hill?
Posted on 1/1/18 at 11:04 am to I B Freeman
I'm sick of those dumbfricks and misuse of the word isolationism
"war will be fought in the US if we dont intervene!!11"
"war will be fought in the US if we dont intervene!!11"
Posted on 1/1/18 at 11:05 am to I B Freeman
So, the GWOT is directly caused by the Spanish American War?!
Those Spaniard SOB’s...
Those Spaniard SOB’s...
Posted on 1/1/18 at 11:06 am to I B Freeman
quote:
There is no virtue in interventionism and no sin in military isolationism.
There is also no money in either, and this does not click with the "international financiers" and members of the global elite who make trillions off of these conflicts.
Posted on 1/1/18 at 11:07 am to I B Freeman
Japan and U.S. were on same side in WWI.
Also, we should have stayed out of WWI. The world would have been a better place had the Kaiser won.
Also, we should have stayed out of WWI. The world would have been a better place had the Kaiser won.
Posted on 1/1/18 at 11:08 am to Jrv2damac
This event more than any other, pulled the country together after the Civil War. The reason for America's involvement was somewhat manufactured, but many Americans fought in both wars.
Posted on 1/1/18 at 11:12 am to TrueTiger
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The world would have been a better place had the Kaiser won.
Germany wasn't going to win even if the US hadn't intervened. The most likely outcome would have been a negotiated peace. The downside of a negotiated peace would have been that all of Europe would have been primed for communism (which Germany had released into the Russian wilds).
Posted on 1/1/18 at 11:15 am to cwill
quote:
Germany wasn't going to win even if the US hadn't intervened.
Wrong
Posted on 1/1/18 at 11:15 am to TrueTiger
I agree we should have stayed out of WWI but the Kaiser left us with little choice.
We should have confined our war with Spain to the Caribbean too.
We should have confined our war with Spain to the Caribbean too.
Posted on 1/1/18 at 11:18 am to Strannix
So you don’t know WWI history.
Posted on 1/1/18 at 11:20 am to I B Freeman
military industrial complex says hi
Posted on 1/1/18 at 11:22 am to I B Freeman
We are a warring species. Someone is going to be king of the hill. Might as well be us. 
Posted on 1/1/18 at 11:25 am to cwill
Even in that situation a peace deal leaving an intact German Empire would have been preferable to setting the table for the 3rd Reich.
This post was edited on 1/1/18 at 11:31 am
Posted on 1/1/18 at 11:27 am to cwill
quote:
Germany wasn't going to win even if the US hadn't intervened.
This is not certain.
quote:
The most likely outcome would have been a negotiated peace
There was a negotiated peace. It would not have been as lopsided as Versailles, which may have prevented Hitler's rise and WWII.
Posted on 1/1/18 at 11:39 am to udtiger
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This is not certain.
Of course nothing is certain but both sides were spent. No one was going to “win” like WWII.
quote:
There was a negotiated peace
I know what you’re saying, but that really wasn’t a brokered peace. Germany capitulated and was punished.
Posted on 1/1/18 at 11:43 am to TrueTiger
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Even in that situation a peace deal leaving an intact German Empire would have been preferable to setting the table for the 3rd Reich
Of course this is all speculation, however, I’m not sure a peace deal and not victory would have staved off the 3rd Reich...or maybe communism rises in its place. I think violence and revolution was going to tear through Europe regardless.
Posted on 1/1/18 at 11:49 am to I B Freeman
The ensuing Philippine-American War lasted three years and resulted in the death of over 4,200 American and over 20,000 Filipino combatants. As many as 200,000 Filipino civilians died from violence, famine, and disease. history.state.gov
You overstate casualties. “As many as” indicates 3 important thing: it’s a guesstimate, it is the maximum guesstimate, and it assumes direct causation from the war. People in the Philippines died from disease, famine, and violence regularly in the Philippines at that time and also in America. Should we include US violence and disease too?
Let’s play what if we didn’t take the Philippines from Spain, and stayed isolationist. Today Europe from the English Channel to the Ural Mountains would be under militant German control, either Imperial or Nazi depended upon who won an Americanless WW I.
Korea, Western Russia, Western China, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Myanmar, Indonesia, New Guinea, Hawaii, and probably Australia and New Zealand would be under the murdering regime of Imperial Japan. An isolationist America would not have Hawaii, so it is possible that militant Germany would control it.
Let’s speculate about Africa and the Americas south of the border. Probably not good.
An isolated isolationist America! "Kumbaya, my Lord"!
You overstate casualties. “As many as” indicates 3 important thing: it’s a guesstimate, it is the maximum guesstimate, and it assumes direct causation from the war. People in the Philippines died from disease, famine, and violence regularly in the Philippines at that time and also in America. Should we include US violence and disease too?
Let’s play what if we didn’t take the Philippines from Spain, and stayed isolationist. Today Europe from the English Channel to the Ural Mountains would be under militant German control, either Imperial or Nazi depended upon who won an Americanless WW I.
Korea, Western Russia, Western China, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Myanmar, Indonesia, New Guinea, Hawaii, and probably Australia and New Zealand would be under the murdering regime of Imperial Japan. An isolationist America would not have Hawaii, so it is possible that militant Germany would control it.
Let’s speculate about Africa and the Americas south of the border. Probably not good.
An isolated isolationist America! "Kumbaya, my Lord"!
Posted on 1/1/18 at 11:50 am to cwill
quote:
I know what you're saying, but it really wasn't a brokered peace. Germany capitulated and was punished.
The harsh terms imposed on Germany is what actually set up WW II.
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