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re: Elon Musk: Tesla can build power grid for Puerto Rico

Posted on 10/6/17 at 8:22 am to
Posted by Sunbeam
Member since Dec 2016
2612 posts
Posted on 10/6/17 at 8:22 am to
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Didn't he get a huge contact for something similar in Australia? Wind and solar seem like a good option for an island.




Like a lot of guys here have noted, Musk is a con man, who specializes in feel good projects to suck off the government teat.

That said, to a not inconsiderable extent, conservative folks pooh pooh non-fossil energy sources too much.

Look, I'm an engineer. Without running on at the mouth too long, wind and any kind of tidal/ocean base energy extraction (thinking of things like OTEC) is a situational toy. Wind is actually useful in the Great Plains states or Texas. But not in most of America.

Solar however is a game changer. The solar cells are efficient enough and cheap enough now. And the juice is there, I mean it is really there. And it is availabale everywhere humans might actually want to live (though the "Long Nights" in extreme northern latitudes make it less so in some areas).

And I can tell you, we are good enough now with electricity transmission that we really could power lights in Miami with energy generated by windmills in North Dakota. Whether that is as cheap as a coal plant in Florida is another thing. But we could do it well enough that society wouldn't miss a beat or notice the extra expense - Except...

We suck at energy storage. Really suck at it. That problem ever gets resolved in a workable manner, and all kinds of changes will happen, almost overnight.

And things like wind energy fluctuate so much, and are intermittent like solar that they really aren't as useful as you would hope till we actually do get large scale grid storage, or cheap workable batteries for individual households that can take a few thousand charging cycles and won't break the bank to replace or install in the first place.
Posted by cave canem
pullarius dominus
Member since Oct 2012
12186 posts
Posted on 10/6/17 at 8:56 am to
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The solar cells are efficient enough and cheap enough now.


Bullshite.

Exactly what kind of engineer are you that you think the numbers for solar are even close to adding up?
Posted by MSUmtowndawg
Jackson, MS
Member since Sep 2010
1472 posts
Posted on 10/6/17 at 9:34 am to
Solar kWh cost is not there, without tax credits its not even close. And the acreage needed will turn most folks off that would want it to begin with. There wouldn't be enough land on the island to have anything substantial. the panels themselves are made of highly toxic material.

In the SE, if it doesn't rain enough to clean the dust/pollen/bird poop off the efficiency drops tremendously. If they are fixed panels, they produce even less. Places with higher cloud cover drop more. in a bank of 10 panels, if one cracks the whole bank is lowered to that efficiency. Lots of other factors make them not viable.

Truthfully, Nuclear is the safest, most environmentally friendly, and cheapest for the life of the plant. But it has the negative stigma and the fossil industry pushes that.

EE in the utility business.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
27365 posts
Posted on 10/6/17 at 9:38 am to
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Sunbeam


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Solar however is a game changer.


Checks out.
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