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re: LSU Football - always finding the next scapegoat - it all stops with AD/HC

Posted on 9/26/17 at 4:59 pm to
Posted by rbdallas
Dallas, TX
Member since Nov 2007
10340 posts
Posted on 9/26/17 at 4:59 pm to
I do not have a crystal ball as some of you do, but I have seen many non-elite coaches become elite as experience grows.

Saban was not a great coach at LSU... he became a great coach after the Miami fiasco

Coach O was dealt his hand, let's see what he can do with it. Stop the nonsense, we lost to MSU and one could argue that the refs sucked the momentum away from us.

Having said this, I know some will bitch at anything especially since your choice for coach was not hired or kept.

Geaux Tigers
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33794 posts
Posted on 9/26/17 at 5:51 pm to
quote:

Saban was not a great coach at LSU... he became a great coach after the Miami fiasco


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Coach O was dealt his hand, let's see what he can do with it. Stop the nonsense, we lost to MSU and one could argue that the refs sucked the momentum away from us.


That "non-elite" Saban was far more accomplished than Orgeron is right now.

How long do we have to wait until Orgeron reaches the level that Saban was 20 years ago?
Posted by LSUChamps03
Member since Feb 2006
2162 posts
Posted on 9/26/17 at 6:17 pm to
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Saban was not a great coach at LSU... he became a great coach after the Miami fiasco


I don’t agree with this at all. Saban was a very well regarded head coach and was on the NFL’s radar before he coached a game at LSU. After reviving Michigan St.’s program he took over an LSU team that was 3-8, won an SEC title and Sugar Bowl in year 2 and a national championship in year 4. He didn’t stay long enough to win more titles as I’m sure he would have had he stayed at LSU.

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I do not have a crystal ball as some of you do, but I have seen many non-elite coaches become elite as experience grows. Coach O was dealt his hand, let's see what he can do with it. Stop the nonsense, we lost to MSU and one could argue that the refs sucked the momentum away from us.


ANY suggestion that there is ANY comparison between what Saban had done before he came to LSU and what he’s achieved since to what Orgeron did before he became LSU head coach and what he might “learn” to do is absolutely absurd revisionist history. He's been a great DL coach and recruiter during his career - that is what he is and for that I give him a lot of credit. We were all thrilled to have LSU hire him as DL coach - he had proven success in that role. But some coaches aren’t meant to be the man responsible for running a program.

And I don’t know that there have been “many” coaches that have become elite as experience grows. If you mean coaches who were never head coaches prior and then became elite, then sure - all great coaches were assistants at one point before getting the chance to be the top guy. But there are select few who were unsuccessful head coaches the first go round who became elite head coaches. I can think of one off the top of my head - Belichick.

This post isn’t meant to bash you. I’m all for being positive, giving a guy a chance. But from the start there have been NO indicators that Orgeron was likely to have championship success at LSU. The final chapter is yet to be written. But based on the available information, the facts, I have no expectation that LSU will have great success under its current head coach. As a lifelong LSU fan I hope I’m wrong. I want to see LSU win more championships.


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