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re: Who wants to point out the flaws of this healthcare bill?

Posted on 9/21/17 at 6:58 pm to
Posted by tigersbb
Member since Oct 2012
10443 posts
Posted on 9/21/17 at 6:58 pm to
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From where I sit it gives decision making power to the states for where funds go, allows states to reduce amounts of required care in plans, gets rid of the individual mandate. What am I missing here? Definitely an improvement


Anything that is finally passed will be a major improvement. Most people with Obamacare policies are unable to access their coverage due to prohibitive deductibles and co - payments. The Affordable Care Act was nothing more than a huge transference of wealth. It is amazing that a benefit which was previously provided by employers on a voluntary basis has now been placed under governmental control, forcing certain employers to provide the benefits or be fined, while telling them how the benefits are to be paid, how much they must pay, what is covered and deciding which of their employees lifestyles are to be subsidized by other employees.

In addition we were also being forced to subsidize health insurers through reimbursement corridors and subsidies when they were required to discard actuarial prognostications to assume any all risks with the knowledge that if their profits dropped accordingly the taxpayers would make up the difference. Now the courts have finally reigned in this assault on our constitution by the Obama administration by ruling these subsidies can only be paid when authorized by Congress. Congress has refused to allocate the funding and the carriers have elected to abandon this sinking vessel.

Yes, the " uninsured rate " may have dropped . Much of this is due to the mandate to purchase ( the first time in the history of this country the populace is forced to purchase a product just for existing) and those who would have been eligible for Medicaid even without the Affordable Care Act. Yet, the new insureds really are no better off as they must absorb large deductibles and co-payments to access their coverage. This is prohibitive for many.

When the Democrats were passing the ACA we were told, depending on the audience that there were 30,000,000 to 50,000,000 uninsured people in the country who would benefit from passing the ACA. Lets split it and call it 40 million uninsured. If those numbers were true then there should have been a stampede to sign up for coverage last year and this year. The Health and Human Services claims the number of signups this year is 10.4 million Remember, though we were not told the truth about 2015 signups. It was eventually exposed and finally admitted by the administration that they had lied and the number of signups was actually 6.3 million and not the 8.7 million they touted until they were exposed. There was no confirmation of how many of the current 10.4 million were previously insured and lost their coverage due to the ACA. In reality there may have been only 5 million newly insured. The total insured may have been well below 8 million by the end of last year.

My premiums have increased 64% since 2013 with higher deductibles and co-payments while I am also forced to subsidize the insurance of others. The president claimed premiums would be reduced $2,500 per family by the Affordable Care Act. The president knew this was not true and deliberately lied to the American people to push for the passage of the act.

The Democrats can be proud of themselves. They gave Obama his signature accomplishment and now the Democrats own it. It has already cost them the Congress and it was a significant factor in costing them the Presidency. It would have been better for Congress to have allocated an assigned risk pool of funds to assist those who were shut out of the standard insurance markets by pre-existing conditions instead of this giant exercise in absurdity and lunacy. The Democrats had to resort to unconstitutional deception and bribery of reluctant Congresspersons from Nebraska, Louisiana and Michigan to get the law passed. We were lied to again and again and again by this administration. Jonathan Gruber, one of the plan's major architects confirmed the level of deceit by the Democrats. Hard working tax paying citizens are being forced to subsidize health care for others, meanwhile many have lost their own coverage and are being forced to purchase insurance with higher premiums and higher deductibles and co-payments.

Despite Obama's claim it would reduce premiums an average of $2,500.00 per family this year's true numbers of participants will continue to drop, primarily due to the cost. A recent report stated more and more Obamacare recipients cancelled their policies even after being afforded great leniency by the very liberal rules set by this administration. So we had to totally disrupt health coverage that many were happy with, had to endure a total revision of the healthcare system all for less than 3% of the population of this country. This continues to prove how incompetent the Obama administration was and so ill prepared to govern. This is yet another example of how liberals operate. They will take what they can get at first. Then having gotten their foot in the door they return to press for the rest at a later date in the guise of fairness. Then anyone who objects is waging a war on those beneficiaries, a meme which their media minions is always willing to trumpet. Look no further than this current push for single payer option and the recent movement in California to cover illegal immigrants.

The Democrat Congress and President Obama passed a defective bill and will continue to pay the price for it. The Democrat Congress had to assure Obama got his signature accomplishment. You Democrats now own it lock, stock and barrel.
Posted by bonhoeffer45
Member since Jul 2016
4367 posts
Posted on 9/21/17 at 7:12 pm to
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Anything that is finally passed will be a major improvement. Most people with Obamacare policies are unable to access their coverage due to prohibitive deductibles and co - payments.


Nice to see you at least added a new sentence to a diatribe you seem to spam out a few times a year:

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Though you hit on pretty much every talking point the right has accumulated for 6 years, so I get why you go for it. It's like a Tom Petty concert, you give the audience what they want to hear. And the audience loves you for it.

But all of that says nothing about what is actually positive or makes the insurance situation better under Graham Cassidy. Or how Graham Cassidy improves upon the things you are charging the ACA with?
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
22072 posts
Posted on 9/21/17 at 7:27 pm to
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Most people with Obamacare policies are unable to access their coverage due to prohibitive deductibles and co - payments.


This is not true.

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Yet, the new insureds really are no better off as they must absorb large deductibles and co-payments to access their coverage


This is not true.

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In reality there may have been only 5 million newly insured.


This is not true. Multiple independent analyses back that we now have the lowest uninsured rate in our history.

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this year's true numbers of participants will continue to drop, primarily due to the cost.


This is not true.


It really is a feat that you managed to fit falsehoods into such a wall of text. You should be proud!
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