re: The Fundamental Flaw in every last God/No God thread ever on this board

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I simply mean that if there was A creator at whatever the "beginning" of everything was doesn't actually address if that creator was the cause of OUR universe's beginning or if that creator is an actively participative in his creation

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but that's just postponing the question. if you accept the axiom that nothing can come from nothing, then either there is a creator, who lives independently of creation and is self-existent, or the universe(s) have always existed. Those propositions are equally plausible. so you look at the evidence, which i THINK is that the universe that we live in is in a state of decay, and there is no present evidence of multiple big bangs. Then there's the secondary question of if there is a creator, did he attempt to reveal himself and his character by the events and testimonies as shown in the Bible and do you judge its authenticity by the same standard as other documents of its age or by a the standards of the day.

then there is the existential evidence of the proposed believer and the ultimate choice of belief.