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re: Baylor University Survey On Religion: 'Almost No Atheists Voted For Trump'
Posted on 9/21/17 at 6:30 am to FooManChoo
Posted on 9/21/17 at 6:30 am to FooManChoo
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My statement about atheists being better than agnostics in this regard is based on their study and reasoning through the issue to come to a conclusion, albeit a wrong one. Granted, I'm painting with a broad brush for both atheists and agnostics, but generally speaking what I said is true. Agnostics who remain agnostics are so because they haven't spent a sufficient amount of time really thinking through the issue; they tend to take the middle road of thinking it's not possible to know God or that He even exists and therefore live their lives as if there isn't a God. Like I said, they are practical atheists but don't want to be numbered with the atheists. As much as I think atheists are foolish and wrong, at least I can admire their ability to take a stand on what they believe
I'm Buddhist. Buddhism is an agnostic religion. We follow a path or teaching not a God. So yes you are painting with a very broad brush considering people of my religion represent 9% of the world's population.
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Posted on 9/21/17 at 6:52 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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Christians are certainly living the hard life in America.
Christians are the most persecuted group in the entire world and they are the most judged group in the US especially by left wing terror groups.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 7:07 am to FooManChoo
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I'll admit that I'm speaking from limited experience, though I have argued this point was probably dozens of atheists and agnostics. The agnostics rarely want to discuss the existence of God because they would have to take a stance and defend it. The atheists and the theists go toe-to-toe on this all the time because they have a firm belief and reasons for their beliefs and they try to convince the other side of the truth, as it is perceived. Agnostics don't really have a position which is why they don't usually get involved, other than to say the theists and the atheists are dumb for arguing over something that we can't possibly know for sure. If you disagree with me on this, I'd love to understand.
You have an extremely flawed understanding of agnostic thought. Agnostics aren't agnostic because they're trying to avoid an argument or fear taking a stand.
If you really believe that than there is no point in having a conversation with you. I'm agnostic for two simple reasons: -I've yet to see conclusive evidence in support of a creator. -I've yet to see conclusive evidence that there isn't one. Seems logical enough to me.
Identifying as an agnostic has nothing to do with wanting to ride the fence. I'm happy to read and consider both sides, and until one or the other presents direct evidence, I can't fool my brain into knowing that one is true. Wish I could because from my vantage point your method of dealing with death is far more comforting. In my mind it's you that is taking the easy way out.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 7:15 am to ctiger69
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Christians are the most persecuted group in the entire world and they are the most judged group in the US especially by left wing terror groups.
It's hard being part of the supermajority in this country.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 7:20 am to northshorebamaman
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there's no way to prove that something doesn't exist
This is a line often repeated by atheists that is simply not true. I can prove there are no square triangles, no married bachelors, etc.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 7:22 am to DisplacedBuckeye
Hitler
Stalin
Mao
Who other than Ghengis Khan has killed more?
Stalin
Mao
Who other than Ghengis Khan has killed more?
Posted on 9/21/17 at 7:24 am to AUveritas
quote:yes. But if you tell me there's a blue ball on the other side of an instrument of a wall but you can't provide me any evidence of it so I don't believe it's there it's also impossible for me to prove it isn't
This is a line often repeated by atheists that is simply not true. I can prove there are no square triangles, no married bachelors, etc
Posted on 9/21/17 at 7:25 am to DisplacedBuckeye
Actually majorities are the only groups allowed to be persecuted, see Christians, straight people, white people etc
Posted on 9/21/17 at 7:27 am to ShortyRob
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yes. But if you tell me there's a blue ball on the other side of an instrument of a wall but you can't provide me any evidence of it so I don't believe it's there it's also impossible for me to prove it isn't
For all intents and purposes, you're making an argument from silence, which is a logical fallacy. Absence of evidence is never evidence of absence.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 7:28 am to AUveritas
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This is a line often repeated by atheists that is simply not true. I can prove there are no square triangles, no married bachelors, etc.
No you can't. You can only prove those things within a predefined worldview.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 7:28 am to AUveritas
quote:I made no argument whatsoever. I simply pointed out that there are things one cannot prove that are negatives. I also can't prove I didn't cheat on my wife. Now if I told you that the fact you can't prove the blue ball is there is proof that it isn't then your response would be correct
For all intents and purposes, you're making an argument from silence, which is a logical fallacy. Absence of evidence is never evidence of absence
Posted on 9/21/17 at 7:29 am to Oilfieldbiology
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Hitler
Stalin
Mao
Yes, I know. Just another reason to dislike religion.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 7:30 am to DisplacedBuckeye
Do you hate religion because your mom wouldn't let you wear your fedora to church?
Posted on 9/21/17 at 7:30 am to AUveritas
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Absence of evidence is never evidence of absence.
That's an impressive line that doesn't mean anything.Posted on 9/21/17 at 7:34 am to ShortyRob
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I simply pointed out that there are things one cannot prove that are negatives.
And I proved that there are negatives that can be proven. The original contention that one can't prove a negative is demonstrably false. Whether God can be proven to exist or not exist is a different discussion. I was pointing out that the blanket statement is simply wrong.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 7:34 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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I do think we'd see a considerable improvement in our society with the reduction of religious beliefs in otherwise intelligent and reasonable people.
It think you've got that backwards. Religion for the most part reinforces "good" because of the fear of being "bad". Without religion, there would be many more people that would act as they wanted without any regard for their fellow citizens.
Religion affects "conscience" like the devil on one shoulder tempting a person to do something they know (because of religion) to be bad, while the angel on the other shoulder encourages doing the "right" thing.
FWIW, I'm agnostic because I just don't know. But I do know that without religion as a guide, we'd be a much less charitable and caring society overall.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 7:34 am to AUveritas
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And I proved that there are negatives that can be proven.
No you didn't.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 7:35 am to northshorebamaman
It's a logical fallacy called Argument from Silence.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 7:36 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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No you didn't.
Married bachelors do not exist.
Square triangles and circles do not exist.
Yes I did.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 7:37 am to RTRinTampa
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It think you've got that backwards. Religion for the most part reinforces "good" because of the fear of being "bad". Without religion, there would be many more people that would act as they wanted without any regard for their fellow citizens.
Religion affects "conscience" like the devil on one shoulder tempting a person to do something they know (because of religion) to be bad, while the angel on the other shoulder encourages doing the "right" thing.
FWIW, I'm agnostic because I just don't know. But I do know that without religion as a guide, we'd be a much less charitable and caring society overall.
Another one? So Christians would be murderers, thieves, and pedophiles without their version of god? I certainly don't think that applies to a large majority of them, but I don't take that dim a view on people.
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Religion affects "conscience" like the devil on one shoulder tempting a person to do something they know (because of religion) to be bad, while the angel on the other shoulder encourages doing the "right" thing.
Religion is neither exclusive nor efficient in doing so.
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