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re: Have we discussed Daily Stormer and Stormfront getting banned from the internet?
Posted on 9/3/17 at 10:23 am to cwill
Posted on 9/3/17 at 10:23 am to cwill
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Why is the ISP "cuck" for not wanting to house a white supremacy site? Would you lease office space or a store front in your strip mall to Daily Stormer?
I don't see it as the same thing, we are talking about a difference in things that are abstract vs. concrete.
The internet is replacing actual libraries,as the keepers of information,ideas,etc..
I think there is a responsibility to make all ideas available,even if you object to it.
People should be able to read for themselves and decide what is right or wrong.
If you deny people the ability to do that, you will unwittingly create ideas that are misinformed and crazier than anything you were protecting yourself against.
Posted on 9/3/17 at 10:23 am to cwill
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So you're cool with the government forcing bakeries to bake cakes for gay weddings?
That is such a strawman argument.
Should AT&T be able to drop phone service to groups they don't agree with? What about Entergy? What about water and sewage?
Comparing that to a small mom and pop bakery with limited reach and resources is willful ignorance.
Posted on 9/3/17 at 10:25 am to TotesMcGotes
Replace the railroads with Google, and Teddy Roosevelt with Trump (I can dream, can't I?)
Posted on 9/3/17 at 10:31 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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Should AT&T be able to drop phone service to groups they don't agree with? What about Entergy?
You want the internet regulated like public utilities?
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What about water and sewage?
Gov't entity so doesn't fit.
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Comparing that to a small mom and pop bakery with limited reach and resources is willful ignorance.
Comparing government compulsion of private entities is ignorant and a "straw man"?
Posted on 9/3/17 at 10:34 am to cwill
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You want the internet regulated like public utilities?
Yes. Easy answer.
Posted on 9/3/17 at 10:34 am to auggie
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Have we discussed Daily Stormer and Stormfront getting banned from the internet?
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Why is the ISP "cuck" for not wanting to house a white supremacy site? Would you lease office space or a store front in your strip mall to Daily Stormer?
I don't see it as the same thing, we are talking about a difference in things that are abstract vs. concrete.
The internet is replacing actual libraries,as the keepers of information,ideas,etc..
I think there is a responsibility to make all ideas available,even if you object to it.
People should be able to read for themselves and decide what is right or wrong.
If you deny people the ability to do that, you will unwittingly create ideas that are misinformed and crazier than anything you were protecting yourself against.
So all it took was a business denying access to Daily Stormer and Stormfront to turn a bunch of small government, anti-regulatory conservatives into big gov regulationists!
Posted on 9/3/17 at 10:39 am to cwill
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small government, anti-regulatory conservatives into big gov regulationists! ?
And for a bunch of liberals to turn into defenders of wise, woke big data and their Democrat donor CEOs. The times are a-changin' that's for sure.
Posted on 9/3/17 at 10:40 am to LSUTigersVCURams
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And for a bunch of liberals to turn into defenders of wise, woke big data and their Democrat donor CEOs. The times are a-changin' that's for sure.
Sure - you and they are hypocrites.
Posted on 9/3/17 at 10:43 am to cwill
Oh I didn't realize I was engaging with a Lolbertarian. I try to avoid doing that as much as possible.
Posted on 9/3/17 at 10:45 am to cwill
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So all it took was a business denying access to Daily Stormer and Stormfront to turn a bunch of small government, anti-regulatory conservatives into big gov regulationists!
If you think about it, I am for the opposite.
The internet should be unregulated and above political pressure from anyone,untouchable.
Posted on 9/3/17 at 10:46 am to Tiguar
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We would have to make internet a utility.
Which is why I'm against NN. Title II is overkill.
Posted on 9/3/17 at 10:52 am to LSUTigersVCURams
That's what net neutrality is all about anyway
Posted on 9/3/17 at 10:56 am to auggie
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If you think about it, I am for the opposite.
The internet should be unregulated and above political pressure from anyone,untouchable.
So what's your problem with the private business refusing service?
Posted on 9/3/17 at 10:57 am to cwill
Are ISPs truly private? I bet they suck on that government teat hard
Posted on 9/3/17 at 11:00 am to el Gaucho
If it's "truly private" you're OK with it?
Posted on 9/3/17 at 11:09 am to cwill
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So what's your problem with the private business refusing service?
Because their reason for censoring service is linked to political ideas.
hey.drop them if they don't pay their bill,whatever,but if you drop them based on what they believe,you are headed down a dangerous path.
Posted on 9/3/17 at 11:14 am to auggie
Where are our libertarian friends when we need them?
Posted on 9/3/17 at 11:15 am to auggie
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Because their reason for censoring service is linked to political ideas.
What's your solution for businesses owners acting on their personal beliefs?
Posted on 9/3/17 at 11:18 am to LSUTigersVCURams
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they are silent about ACTUAL censorship.
ISP doesn't want to do business with them. Just like the bakers with the cakes. Both should get to decide who they transact with.
This is first day Conservatism 101 stuff.
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