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Slavery was not the only issue the South was fighting for
Posted on 8/20/17 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 8/20/17 at 12:35 pm
One of the biggest ideals was "state's rights," which is guaranteed by the constitution. This seems to have been forgotten (or never learned) by most and now it was all just about "racism." This is what the white-washing of history does.
This post was edited on 8/20/17 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 8/20/17 at 12:37 pm to SMU Tiger Fan
Most sane people realize this to be the truth but, the media and the left control the narrative right now and they are to damn lazy and ignorant to find the actual truth.
Posted on 8/20/17 at 12:41 pm to SMU Tiger Fan
The civil war didn't become about slavery until the north got shellacked in a few important battles and Lincoln needed to gain some traction. If McClellan wouldn't have screwed up taking Richmond, Lincoln wouldn't have announced the emancipation proclamation and slavery would've stayed intact.
Posted on 8/20/17 at 12:42 pm to SMU Tiger Fan
Education some have it, most don't..
This post was edited on 8/20/17 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 8/20/17 at 12:45 pm to SMU Tiger Fan
Here is Mississippi's Articles of Seccession:
LINK
quote:
In the momentous step which our State has taken of dissolving its connection with the government of which we so long formed a part, it is but just that we should declare the prominent reasons which have induced our course. Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin.
That we do not overstate the dangers to our institution, a reference to a few facts will sufficiently prove.
The hostility to this institution commenced before the adoption of the Constitution, and was manifested in the well-known Ordinance of 1787, in regard to the Northwestern Territory.
The feeling increased, until, in 1819-20, it deprived the South of more than half the vast territory acquired from France.
The same hostility dismembered Texas and seized upon all the territory acquired from Mexico.
It has grown until it denies the right of property in slaves, and refuses protection to that right on the high seas, in the Territories, and wherever the government of the United States had jurisdiction.
It refuses the admission of new slave States into the Union, and seeks to extinguish it by confining it within its present limits, denying the power of expansion.
It tramples the original equality of the South under foot.
It has nullified the Fugitive Slave Law in almost every free State in the Union, and has utterly broken the compact which our fathers pledged their faith to maintain.
It advocates negro equality, socially and politically, and promotes insurrection and incendiarism in our midst.
It has enlisted its press, its pulpit and its schools against us, until the whole popular mind of the North is excited and inflamed with prejudice.
It has made combinations and formed associations to carry out its schemes of emancipation in the States and wherever else slavery exists.
It seeks not to elevate or to support the slave, but to destroy his present condition without providing a better.
It has invaded a State, and invested with the honors of martyrdom the wretch whose purpose was to apply flames to our dwellings, and the weapons of destruction to our lives.
It has broken every compact into which it has entered for our security.
It has given indubitable evidence of its design to ruin our agriculture, to prostrate our industrial pursuits and to destroy our social system.
It knows no relenting or hesitation in its purposes; it stops not in its march of aggression, and leaves us no room to hope for cessation or for pause.
It has recently obtained control of the Government, by the prosecution of its unhallowed schemes, and destroyed the last expectation of living together in friendship and brotherhood.
Utter subjugation awaits us in the Union, if we should consent longer to remain in it. It is not a matter of choice, but of necessity. We must either submit to degradation, and to the loss of property worth four billions of money, or we must secede from the Union framed by our fathers, to secure this as well as every other species of property. For far less cause than this, our fathers separated from the Crown of England.
Our decision is made. We follow their footsteps. We embrace the alternative of separation; and for the reasons here stated, we resolve to maintain our rights with the full consciousness of the justice of our course, and the undoubting belief of our ability to maintain it
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Posted on 8/20/17 at 12:45 pm to SMU Tiger Fan
ITT we try to pretend slavery wasn't as big of an issue as it really was.
This is not the argument for keeping the statues.
This is not the argument for keeping the statues.
Posted on 8/20/17 at 12:48 pm to SMU Tiger Fan
dims have the majority of one race under their control today using gubment benefits and no real hope for long-term improvement, with a few exceptions.
Almost a block vote.
A form of modern day slavery.
Almost a block vote.
A form of modern day slavery.
Posted on 8/20/17 at 12:49 pm to SMU Tiger Fan
More revisionist bullshite.
"States' rights" stop at owning other people.
Also, it's already been pointed out that this is not true. It wasn't just Mississippi, either.
"States' rights" stop at owning other people.
Also, it's already been pointed out that this is not true. It wasn't just Mississippi, either.
Posted on 8/20/17 at 12:58 pm to SMU Tiger Fan
Lincoln made the war about slavery sometime during 1962. Grant had been demoted, the Army of the Potomac was getting their asses kicked by Granny Lee and northerners were rioting and lynching blacks.
Lincoln also knew that Britain and France were on the cusp of busting up the naval blockade.
Lincoln also knew that Britain and France were on the cusp of busting up the naval blockade.
Posted on 8/20/17 at 1:01 pm to SMU Tiger Fan
Right just like WWII didn't become about the Jews until after Hitler had declared war on the US. He had been murdering Jews for years prior but our Yankee Government didn't care until he attacked good old Uncle Joe.
Posted on 8/20/17 at 1:06 pm to SMU Tiger Fan
20 pages of idiots from both sides going at each other over low hanging fruit instead of debating any real issues.
Posted on 8/20/17 at 1:07 pm to SMU Tiger Fan
It was about a state's right to allow ownership of slaves. Do you think a state should have that right?
This post was edited on 8/20/17 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 8/20/17 at 1:12 pm to SMU Tiger Fan
Slavery was not the only issue the South was fighting for.
One of the biggest ideals was "state's rights", rights to be able to own people as "property" which was guaranteed by the constitution. Then the south separated as the US constitution seemed to have allowed at the time to continue the ability to own people as nothing more than property. This seems to have been forgotten (or never learned) by most and now it's all just about "racism." Which is narrow minded. This is what a crappy government education and MSM gets you. FIFY
One of the biggest ideals was "state's rights", rights to be able to own people as "property" which was guaranteed by the constitution. Then the south separated as the US constitution seemed to have allowed at the time to continue the ability to own people as nothing more than property. This seems to have been forgotten (or never learned) by most and now it's all just about "racism." Which is narrow minded. This is what a crappy government education and MSM gets you. FIFY
Posted on 8/20/17 at 1:25 pm to SMU Tiger Fan
A few points:
1. There was no income tax pre-civil war
2. Tariffs were used to pay for federal spending prior to income taxes
Because the north feared the south would ally with France and Britain, they passed a tariff against the south on agricultural trades that started devastating the south's economy to pay for the north's bills.
The modern equivalent would be the Feds writing regulations requiring white men to pay a BASE income tax rate of 50% to pay for entitlements used in other states while other races and genders didn't pay any income tax.
1. There was no income tax pre-civil war
2. Tariffs were used to pay for federal spending prior to income taxes
Because the north feared the south would ally with France and Britain, they passed a tariff against the south on agricultural trades that started devastating the south's economy to pay for the north's bills.
The modern equivalent would be the Feds writing regulations requiring white men to pay a BASE income tax rate of 50% to pay for entitlements used in other states while other races and genders didn't pay any income tax.
Posted on 8/20/17 at 2:12 pm to SMU Tiger Fan
Since the sovereignty of the United States lies with the People as stated in the preamble of the Constitution, no state may act without the consent of the whole people.
This post was edited on 8/20/17 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 8/20/17 at 2:32 pm to SMU Tiger Fan
The Emancipation Proclamation only freed slaves in the South. IT did not free slaves in the border states or the North.
So yes there were slave owners in the North and those slaves were not freed then.
So the war was never about slavery
So yes there were slave owners in the North and those slaves were not freed then.
So the war was never about slavery
Posted on 8/20/17 at 3:24 pm to SMU Tiger Fan
It was the issue. It was the states right. Go read the letters of secession. This debate is ridiculous. Your post is the actual attempt to white wash history.
This post was edited on 8/20/17 at 3:25 pm
Posted on 8/20/17 at 4:02 pm to SMU Tiger Fan
Sorry but you are not allowed to make these comments because they are racist.
Posted on 8/20/17 at 5:02 pm to SMU Tiger Fan
State's rights to do what?
Hint: to own slaves.
Hint: to own slaves.
Posted on 8/20/17 at 5:09 pm to SMU Tiger Fan
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This seems to have been forgotten (or never learned) by most and now it was all just about "racism."
Ding Ding.
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