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re: Deputies Try To Kill Pitbull, Kill a Teen
Posted on 6/23/17 at 11:42 am to DawgsLife
Posted on 6/23/17 at 11:42 am to DawgsLife
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since they put their lives on the line every single day.
This just isn't true statistically in the micro. Which is in large part why they don't get paid. They're not nearly as necessary as we pretend they are, at least not in the number that we currently have them.
This post was edited on 6/23/17 at 11:43 am
Posted on 6/23/17 at 11:43 am to the808bass
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I doubt this is what happened. The narrative from police reads like a giant frick up. I will be very surprised if they shot the kid as he was draped over the pit bull.
That's not the way I interpreted it. I saw it as saying he was running around the corner and was in the act of jumping towards the dog to cover him up. His mother in one article insinuated that is what happened, too. But, that looks worse for LEO to me. if the kid was close enough to leap toward the dog, the cops should have seen him and held their fire. If the kid was just coming around the building, then a ricochet might be unforeseen.
I don't know. With so many versions of the story coming out, nobody could know.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 11:43 am to DawgsLife
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I have seen women make an argument that a woman dressed scantily and in a bar getting drunk should not be raped. They are correct. They should not be. However, you increase you chances of it if you dress provocatively and put yourself in a dangerous situation.
That's a false analogy. If I rape a woman, and I try and argue that she was scantily clad and asking for it, it is likely inadmissible as evidence and certainly not an affirmative defense or legal cause for justification.
On the contrary, courts and prosecutors have allowed the subjective fears of individual officers, even those that are irrational, to justify homicide. There is a big difference between these two situations.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 11:45 am to the808bass
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This just isn't true statistically in the micro. Which is in large part why they don't get paid. They're not nearly as necessary as we pretend they are, at least not in the number that we currently have them.
Well, obviously they are not in danger every single day, however the potential is there every single day. the two most dangerous things a cop does?
Traffic stops and domestic calls.
And, my life was never in danger on my job outside of some freak accident.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 11:45 am to SCLibertarian
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On the contrary, courts and prosecutors have allowed the subjective fears of individual officers, even those that are irrational, to justify homicide. There is a big difference between these two situations.
We've interpreted "reasonable fear" to be "here's the reason they were scared." They aren't the same. French at National Review did a follow up piece on the Castile verdict that covered this nicely.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 11:45 am to SCLibertarian
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If a civilian shot a dog and a ricochet bullet hit and killed a kid said civilian would almost certainly be charged with manslaughter.
Incorrect
Now , depending on where you are you might get charged with possessing a gun, firing a gun, or what have you. But in no jurisdiction would you face murder or manslaughter charges due to a ricochet from a bullet fired in self defense. PERIOD
Posted on 6/23/17 at 11:47 am to the808bass
I've already said it was a problem. I'm essentially agreeing with you, you big dolt!
But your ad nauseum attempts with racial undertones are sickening. Which is why I will continue to remind you that Caucasians and Hispanics are killed more by LEOs in this country than AAs.
This situation sucked. The boy was hit with a errant round which was a freak accident. All I ask is that you get the facts straight before you start pushing your narrative that cops are bad.
Your obsesssion with police shootings is exhausting. And you're ready to condemn a man without all of the evidence which you've admitted to doing earlier in the thread. Does that sound like the democracy with civil liberties you want in this country?
But your ad nauseum attempts with racial undertones are sickening. Which is why I will continue to remind you that Caucasians and Hispanics are killed more by LEOs in this country than AAs.
This situation sucked. The boy was hit with a errant round which was a freak accident. All I ask is that you get the facts straight before you start pushing your narrative that cops are bad.
Your obsesssion with police shootings is exhausting. And you're ready to condemn a man without all of the evidence which you've admitted to doing earlier in the thread. Does that sound like the democracy with civil liberties you want in this country?
This post was edited on 6/23/17 at 11:47 am
Posted on 6/23/17 at 11:47 am to SCLibertarian
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That's a false analogy. If I rape a woman, and I try and argue that she was scantily clad and asking for it, it is likely inadmissible as evidence and certainly not an affirmative defense or legal cause for justification.
I wasn't arguing the legality of it. I was saying when you do certain things some unintended and bad things happen. Not because the person deserves it, or did anything wrong.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 11:49 am to the808bass
The artist Pitbull is absolutely a threat to our civilization.
The Deputies were justified in attempting to kill him.
The Deputies were justified in attempting to kill him.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 11:51 am to CGSC Lobotomy
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The artist Pitbull is absolutely a threat to our civilization.
I actually thought that was what the article was about, too! Somebody else in the thread did, too! (DuncanIdaho, I think)
I'm glad it didn't say something about a cop killing a glass of Ice T, or Ice Cube melted by a cop or something!
This post was edited on 6/23/17 at 11:53 am
Posted on 6/23/17 at 11:51 am to Wtodd
20+ years, bruh. I live here now... Never had a conversation with someone racist.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 11:53 am to DawgsLife
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was saying when you do certain things some unintended and bad things happen. Not because the person deserves it, or did anything wrong.
That is correct, and from a legal standpoint usually when the action you were doing was legal (IE self defense) any resulting accidents will almost certainly NOT result in criminal charges.
Now, had the dog simply been chained up and growling, but no threat to the officers, and they shot it anyway, and a ricochet kid the kid. Different story. The dog wasn't a threat, therefor the shooting was unjustified therefor you are legally liable for any resulting "accidents"
Posted on 6/23/17 at 11:56 am to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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But in no jurisdiction would you face murder or manslaughter charges due to a ricochet from a bullet fired in self defense. PERIOD
Blanket statements like these are usually not true.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 12:00 pm to Errerrerrwere
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But your ad nauseum attempts with racial undertones are sickening. Which is why I will continue to remind you that Caucasians and Hispanics are killed more by LEOs in this country than AAs.
1) ad nauseam
2) I don't automatically insert racial undertones. I think sometimes there's a racial component. It's almost never because of racism. I explained this in detail yesterday.
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Your obsesssion with police shootings is exhausting.
Police shootings are exhausting. These both occurred in the last 24 hours. If you don't want me to post about them, work towards reform so that they don't happen. Don't come in a thread making up shite to justify your opinion of cops.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 12:03 pm to the808bass
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Blanket statements like these are usually not true.
Maybe usually not, but in this case definitely true. You can not and will not find one single case where a civilian was charged for an accidental death that was the result of him exercising his right to self defense.Not all homicides are murder.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 12:08 pm to the808bass
What would you have had those cops do at 4am in the morning with a pit charging them? Throw him a bone? Sounds to me like an unfortunate accident brought upon by Dog and its owner.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 12:09 pm to the808bass
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Police shootings are exhausting. These both occurred in the last 24 hours. If you don't want me to post about them, work towards reform so that they don't happen. Don't come in a thread making up shite to justify your opinion of cops.
You're a fricking dipshit bro.
1.1M law enforcement officers in this country , and you found TWO examples of police related shootings in the last 24 hours nationawide and you think we have an epidemic that requires reform?
A black civilian has a 10000X more chance of being shot by a fellow black civilian in this country, yet you have no thread screaming about an epidemic and calling for reform.... Why is that? Oh , that's right you're a dipshit.
This post was edited on 6/23/17 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 6/23/17 at 12:15 pm to the808bass
Look, man. My ex wife's dad was NOPD. When I left her, filed and filed in family court for custody he and his fricked up cop friends would pull me over, search my car, get behind me put their lights on just to ride right by.
I am convinced they hid evidence in a criminal matter (tape recorded conversations) with a NO DA just to get a leg up in custody court. I also was written a DWI by an LSU cop leaving an LSU football game, who come to find out beat the shite out of his girlfriend. It pissed me off. I hated any and all cops. The judge dismissed it because he couldn't show up to court since he was fired!
Then I realized that I didn't want my son growing up with those same sentiments. And I just had to let that go. It took some time; but I don't want a young boy growing up a thug; and 99.9% of cops don't act like that. Don't believe like that. And aren't gung ho on shooting a place up.
But I had to recognize that I played a part in all of that animosity, as well. And once I was able to see that I hurt that man's daughter for leaving her, said some pretty nasty things to him and her, and was a dick for throwing her shite out of the house, then I was able to get through it. But that took a few years.
I'm happy I went through all of that now. It may be that your angry at what seems to be a systemic abuse of power. But at the end of the day; if you tally up all of the LEO and public interactions; these shootings make up a very small part of those interactions.
I'm not saying this to be an a-hole or sarcastic. Just take a break from it. I find talking to the priest in my parish helped tremendously. No lie. The guy helped me get over a lot of anger. Blessed God put him in my life.
I am convinced they hid evidence in a criminal matter (tape recorded conversations) with a NO DA just to get a leg up in custody court. I also was written a DWI by an LSU cop leaving an LSU football game, who come to find out beat the shite out of his girlfriend. It pissed me off. I hated any and all cops. The judge dismissed it because he couldn't show up to court since he was fired!
Then I realized that I didn't want my son growing up with those same sentiments. And I just had to let that go. It took some time; but I don't want a young boy growing up a thug; and 99.9% of cops don't act like that. Don't believe like that. And aren't gung ho on shooting a place up.
But I had to recognize that I played a part in all of that animosity, as well. And once I was able to see that I hurt that man's daughter for leaving her, said some pretty nasty things to him and her, and was a dick for throwing her shite out of the house, then I was able to get through it. But that took a few years.
I'm happy I went through all of that now. It may be that your angry at what seems to be a systemic abuse of power. But at the end of the day; if you tally up all of the LEO and public interactions; these shootings make up a very small part of those interactions.
I'm not saying this to be an a-hole or sarcastic. Just take a break from it. I find talking to the priest in my parish helped tremendously. No lie. The guy helped me get over a lot of anger. Blessed God put him in my life.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 12:16 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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You can not and will not find one single case where a civilian was charged for an accidental death that was the result of him exercising his right to self defense.Not all homicides are murder.
I feel like there was a famous case in Florida a few years ago.
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