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Its Goddamn Saudi Wahhabism and always has been
Posted on 6/3/17 at 8:17 pm
Posted on 6/3/17 at 8:17 pm
At some point we have to be as strict with the Saudi government as they have been with those who violate their barbaric version of Sharia law. Whether its ISIS, Al Qaeda, or any other form of Sunni extremism, you can lay the blame on those who have spent billions spreading their perverted form of religion.
Can we finally get smart and give them an ultimatum that they either shut down their propaganda machine or we shut them down. The Saudi Royal Family created this Frankenstein and what do we do, we sell them billions of dollars of weapons. And this is not only on Trump but on every POTUS since Nixon. The Saudi Royals have pulled he ultimate finesse job of duping the West because of their oil production.
They and Israel have even convinced us that Iran is the greater evil.
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It would be troublesome but perhaps acceptable for the House of Saud to promote the intolerant and extremist Wahhabi creed just domestically. But, unfortunately, for decades the Saudis have also lavishly financed its propagation abroad. Exact numbers are not known, but it is thought that more than $100 billion have been spent on exporting fanatical Wahhabism to various much poorer Muslim nations worldwide over the past three decades. It might well be twice that number. By comparison, the Soviets spent about $7 billion spreading communism worldwide in the 70 years from 1921 and 1991.
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This appears to be a monumental campaign to bulldoze the more moderate strains of Islam, and replace them with the theo-fascist Saudi variety. Despite being well aware of the issue, Western powers continue to coddle the Saudis or, at most, protest meekly from time to time.
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The money goes to constructing and operating mosques and madrassas that preach radical Wahhabism. The money also goes to training imams; media outreach and publishing; distribution of Wahhabi textbooks, and endowments to universities and cultural centers. A cable released by Wikileaks explains, regarding just one region of Pakistan:
Government and non-governmental sources claimed that financial support estimated at nearly 100 million USD annually was making its way to Deobandi and Ahl-e-Hadith clerics in the region from “missionary” and “Islamic charitable” organizations in Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates ostensibly with the direct support of those governments.
Although the Wahhabi curriculum was modified after the 9/11 attacks, it remains backward and intolerant. Freedom House published a report on the revised curriculum, concluding that it “continues to propagate an ideology of hate toward the ‘unbeliever,’ which include Christians, Jews, Shiites, Sufis, Sunni Muslims who do not follow Wahhabi doctrine, Hindus, atheists and others.” This is taught not only domestically but also enthusiastically exported abroad.
Can we finally get smart and give them an ultimatum that they either shut down their propaganda machine or we shut them down. The Saudi Royal Family created this Frankenstein and what do we do, we sell them billions of dollars of weapons. And this is not only on Trump but on every POTUS since Nixon. The Saudi Royals have pulled he ultimate finesse job of duping the West because of their oil production.
They and Israel have even convinced us that Iran is the greater evil.
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The House of Saud works against the best interests of the West and the Muslim world. Muslim communities worldwide certainly need to eradicate fanatical Wahhabism from their midst, but this will be difficult, if not impossible, to accomplish if the West continues its support of the House of Saud. The monarchy must be modernized and modified — or simply uprooted and replaced. The House of Saud needs a thorough house cleaning.
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Posted on 6/3/17 at 8:17 pm to Big12fan
Yes, and we give them an arms deal and pretend that Iran is the real problem.
Posted on 6/3/17 at 8:19 pm to Big12fan
I prefer to refer to it as the work of Satan.
Posted on 6/3/17 at 8:21 pm to airfernando
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I prefer to refer to it as the work of Satan.
Call it what you want to. But its time that our leadership wises up to its source.
Posted on 6/3/17 at 8:22 pm to Big12fan
It's not Wahhabism. That's a stricter form of Islam and is more radical. But Islam itself is radical. There is no moderate form of Islam. They are just as strict in Iran as they are in Saudi Arabia. Two different sects of Islam. Don't make excuses. It's ISLAM.
This post was edited on 6/3/17 at 8:23 pm
Posted on 6/3/17 at 8:22 pm to crazy4lsu
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Yes, and we give them an arms deal and pretend that Iran is the real problem.
i believe the trumpettes will label you a 'cuck' for pointing that fact out
Posted on 6/3/17 at 8:23 pm to tiderider
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believe the trumpettes will label you a 'cuck' for pointing that fact out
They will use those weapons to kill other Muslims, Cuck. Win win.
Posted on 6/3/17 at 8:24 pm to Big12fan
Keep fighting to good fight but be prepared for posters to say we need to keep enabling Saudi Arabia so Iran is kept in check.
Posted on 6/3/17 at 8:24 pm to GeauxLSUGeaux
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There is no moderate form of Islam.
The Sufis and lots of Islamic minorities are.
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hey are just as strict in Iran as they are in Saudi Arabia. Two different sects of Islam.
You just mentioned the two countries that are the leaders of the Islamist movement, and whose antagonism toward one another drives the movement. KSA didn't start exporting Wahabism until the Islamic Revolution. The political ideology of Islamism is the problem.
Posted on 6/3/17 at 8:25 pm to Big12fan
They got that sweet crude earl tho
Posted on 6/3/17 at 8:25 pm to Big12fan
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The more tolerant indigenous versions of Islam cannot survive in the face of the tsunami of money being poured into promoting theo-fascist Wahhabism. This is a major problem that the Muslim world must urgently address.
It still seems to me that this is going to be the only way Islamic terrorists are every truly stopped.
Posted on 6/3/17 at 8:27 pm to GeauxLSUGeaux
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believe the trumpettes will label you a 'cuck' for pointing that fact out
They will use those weapons to kill other Muslims, Cuck. Win win.
you probably believe that
Posted on 6/3/17 at 8:27 pm to crazy4lsu
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The Sufis and lots of Islamic minorities are.
So what percentage of Islam is "moderate" in your opinion?
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You just mentioned the two countries that are the leaders of the Islamist movement, and whose antagonism toward one another drives the movement. KSA didn't start exporting Wahabism until the Islamic Revolution. The political ideology of Islamism is the problem.
That doesn't make one sect worse than the other. There is a race between the Saudis and the Muslim Brotherhood to spread their form of Islam and you are seeing the fruits of their labor right now. The "refugee crisis" is speeding up that process.
This post was edited on 6/3/17 at 8:28 pm
Posted on 6/3/17 at 8:28 pm to tiderider
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You probably believe that
Ok, then who are they going to kill with those weapons? School me.
Posted on 6/3/17 at 8:31 pm to GeauxLSUGeaux
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So what percentage of Islam is "moderate" in your opinion?
I have no idea. The moderate distinction is meaningless in this context because of the globalizing ability of the Saudis.
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That doesn't make one sect worse than the other. There is a race between the Saudis and the Muslims Brotherhood to spread their form of Islam and you are seeing the fruits of their labor right now. The "refugee crisis" is speeding up that process.
Muslim Brotherhood and the KSA are both Islamists, except the Muslim Brotherhood is Pan-Islamic while the KSA is Pan-Arabic. Both think the state should be organized around religion. There isn't a meaningful difference to Western eyes.
What should be done is to develop a balance of power in the region so that both KSA and Iran's interests are moderated. It seems we are all in on the KSA though, to our detriment.
Posted on 6/3/17 at 8:31 pm to GeauxLSUGeaux
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You probably believe that
Ok, then who are they going to kill with those weapons? School me.
? ... i don't have to school you on shite, dumbass ... you're the one claiming they'll use the weapons to kill terrorists ... i'm claiming the deal is smoke/mirrors, like every other deal this or any other president has made with the saudis (don't know what the kiss from your boy bush meant, but there's nothing wrong with it)
Posted on 6/3/17 at 8:32 pm to crazy4lsu
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Yes, and we give them an arms deal and pretend that Iran is the real problem.
Always on point
Posted on 6/3/17 at 8:32 pm to Big12fan
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Call it what you want to. But its time that our leadership wises up to its source.
And this is part of the problem. Most people think that our politicians don't know the source.
They know the source damn it! But they do what they do anyway. Figure it out. The vast vast majority of them are not in office to help you.
They are elite. You are expendable.
Posted on 6/3/17 at 8:32 pm to Big12fan
We are in a no win situation with them... if they quit selling their oil in USD, other countries would follow, thus destabilizing our economy and we would plunge into a severe depression
They quite literally keep us afloat by helping back the petro-dollar
History:
due to the Vietnam war, we were printing money at such a fast rate, inflation was causing a massive depletion of the US gold reserves... Nixon took us off the gold standard, solving the gold problem, but not the money problem
We had to have some commodity back the USD, so we looked around and said oil was the next best bet... we went to Saudi and told them we would sell them weapons in exchange they sold their oil in USD... they said yes and now we are screwed
The petro-dollar is why we went to Libya to out Gaddafi (he wanted to sell the oil in Euros), and it's why we went to Iraq... there were no WMDs in Iraq, Saddam wanted to sell his oil in Dinar and we wouldn't allow that to happen
Again, we are in a no win situation with shitty bedfellows
They quite literally keep us afloat by helping back the petro-dollar
History:
due to the Vietnam war, we were printing money at such a fast rate, inflation was causing a massive depletion of the US gold reserves... Nixon took us off the gold standard, solving the gold problem, but not the money problem
We had to have some commodity back the USD, so we looked around and said oil was the next best bet... we went to Saudi and told them we would sell them weapons in exchange they sold their oil in USD... they said yes and now we are screwed
The petro-dollar is why we went to Libya to out Gaddafi (he wanted to sell the oil in Euros), and it's why we went to Iraq... there were no WMDs in Iraq, Saddam wanted to sell his oil in Dinar and we wouldn't allow that to happen
Again, we are in a no win situation with shitty bedfellows
Posted on 6/3/17 at 8:35 pm to GeauxLSUGeaux
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It's not Wahhabism. That's a stricter form of Islam and is more radical. But Islam itself is radical. There is no moderate form of Islam. They are just as strict in Iran as they are in Saudi Arabia. Two different sects of Islam. Don't make excuses. It's ISLAM.
You are flat-assed wrong. Read up on the history of Wahhabism and its relationship to the House of Saud. Educate yourself. Just because we have a dumb government doesn't mean we have to have a dumb public. You are the one who doesn't want to face the truth. It IS the Saudis and has always been the Saudis. Don't be a Wahhabi Cuck.
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