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re: Thomas Gallatin: Obama Doubled Your Healthcare Premium

Posted on 5/26/17 at 6:59 pm to
Posted by bonhoeffer45
Member since Jul 2016
4367 posts
Posted on 5/26/17 at 6:59 pm to
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Why? Cost is cost. SOMEone is paying, even if you aren't.




It is important context though.

It becomes disingenuous to say everyone on the exchanges had much higher premiums, leaving out how subsidies insulate people from those increases.

But you are certainly right in that the cost does not go away. It gets paid. But how that tab is paid is just being fully clarified.
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
35329 posts
Posted on 5/26/17 at 7:04 pm to
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It becomes disingenuous to say everyone on the exchanges had much higher premiums, leaving out how subsidies insulate people from those increases.



wrong. its disingenuous to include the subsidies in the prices. because its a lie. if the price before a subsidy is 100 a month, the price isnt 60 because 40 of it was paid by someone else. the price is still 100. by saying anything but the FULL price is, in itself, willful deception.

but i completely expect someone who defends the steaming pile of shite that is the ACA to be willfully deceitful in their presentation of price by touting the post-subsidy price instead of the TRUE price.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
124713 posts
Posted on 5/26/17 at 7:07 pm to
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It is important context though.
Correct! In light of huge deficits and a gargantuan debt, overall cost is extremely important context.
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It becomes disingenuous to say everyone on the exchanges had much higher premiums, leaving out how subsidies insulate people from those increases.
As disingenuous as Gruber/Obama/Pelosi/Reid were in selling the loser program at its outset?
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
57520 posts
Posted on 5/26/17 at 8:58 pm to
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It becomes disingenuous to say everyone on the exchanges had much higher premiums, leaving out how subsidies insulate people from those increases.
It's even more disingenuous to count those subsidies as "savings" on medical care costs. You're leaving out how subsidies are paid for by other people.
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