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re: Australian Imam: Make No Mistake, Islamic Scripture Commands Beheadings, Massacre People
Posted on 5/26/17 at 1:24 pm to airfernando
Posted on 5/26/17 at 1:24 pm to airfernando
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Is it that hard to google what Bennie said? Grow a brain, already.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 1:24 pm to N.O. via West-Cal
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I might even agree with you to a point, but the Manchester murderer was from England and the two sheikhs debating each other in the link by the OP were in Australia. The San Bernandino killers were from freakin' San Bernadino. We cannot simply stay out of the places where they live because we live there, too.
If you don't think the nightmare that is the ME has at least a little bit to do with the domestic threat (which would be surprising considering the prevalence of visits to the region that these terrorists make) then I guess it would be hard to see how what I said is relevant. We probably won't agree if you feel that ME foreign policy and domestic terror aren't related.
This post was edited on 5/26/17 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 5/26/17 at 1:25 pm to MrCarton
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I was addressing that point, and that point only, which is why I quoted it, anx responded directly to him
Ok I read his point and yours.
But you stated that you are sick of hearing how the reformation of Islam is necessary when there are some many deaths at the hands of the west and russia
I just have 2 questions, so I can get a better idea of where you are coming from:
1. Is reformation not necessary?
2. How does the body count from the last century have anything to do with it?
Posted on 5/26/17 at 1:26 pm to TheHumanTornado
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To blame it solely on the religion isn't accurate and short sighted.
religion is the driver
I'm sure there are plenty of other socioeconomic issues that drives one to become a radical, but at the end of the day, these people are killing in the name of their religion
and if you really want to pin it down, the driver for religion is fear
Posted on 5/26/17 at 1:26 pm to Salmon
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did 86% include "rarely" in the answer or was that how the question was framed? and of that 86%, how many include "rarely"?
does it really matter?
The view is so extreme even the 8% who thought it was sometimes justified is not a small fringe number.
Again when you are talking about blowing yourself up this is many times more extreme than planting a bomb or shooting someone.
Or beheading someone, or throwing LBGTQ people off buildings.
These are people with a really really fricked up belief system. We are talking about the Motherlode of bad ideas here.
This post was edited on 5/26/17 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 5/26/17 at 1:27 pm to Loserman
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does it really matter?
The view is so extreme even the 8% who thought it was sometimes justified is not a small fringe number.
it matters in that what he stated wasn't wrong like you claimed
Posted on 5/26/17 at 1:28 pm to gthog61
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Like dead born and Minneapolis?
Is this supposed to be a gotcha or something?
Posted on 5/26/17 at 1:28 pm to FooManChoo
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The depictions of violence in the Old Testament were specific to a nation in history, not to all believers for eternity.
Arent all religious texts essentially historical in nature? Most of them involve stories or letters. My point is that direct and indirect points in scripture are used as a crutch or excuse to be shitty to other people no matter what the actual context was. Most people don't just pick up a religious text and then walk outside and re-enact what it says. It takes a desperate or ill person to do that.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 1:31 pm to Salmon
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it matters in that what he stated wasn't wrong like you claimed
Of course what he said was wrong. when 8% of any group has an ideology that extreme it unbelievable.
8% of 3.3 million US Muslims is 264k people
Again these were US Muslims who responded that way.
In a few countries, a quarter or more of Muslims say these acts of violence are at least sometimes justified, including 40% in the Palestinian territories, 39% in Afghanistan, 29% in Egypt and 26% in Bangladesh.
This post was edited on 5/26/17 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 5/26/17 at 1:33 pm to MrCarton
You said don't go where the "extremists" are
Well if you don't think there are any in either place you are not very bright
Well if you don't think there are any in either place you are not very bright
Posted on 5/26/17 at 1:33 pm to Loserman
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Of course what he said was wrong.
that stats you posted agreed to what he said
nothing you have stated or provided has proved his statement to be wrong
Posted on 5/26/17 at 1:36 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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But you stated that you are sick of hearing how the reformation of Islam is necessary when there are some many deaths at the hands of the west and russia
Yes. I am sick of it. Its a bogeyman that ignores the real threats to American freedom, which is the government.
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1. Is reformation not necessary?
Of Islam? IDGAF if they have a reformation. It's not going to reform extremists anyway. 95% of Muslims are Friday muslims anyway, pious to a veru low degree, picking and choosing their major Muslim issues.
I do care about western statism being reformed. It's far more dangerous and deadly than Islamic terrorism, in part because hardly anyone acknowledges it. Instead we sit around running our mouths about a threat that i
Has about 1:100,000 chance of occurring to a random person in the US. Islamic terrorism is covered far more than other types of violent attacks.
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Such fears are indeed misplaced. Your risk of being killed in a jihadist terror attack in the last 15 years amounted to roughly 1 in 2,640,000. Even if you stretch the period back to include 9/11, the risk would still just have been 1 in 110,000. Your lifetime risk of dying in a lightning strike is 1 in 161,000, and your chance of being killed in a motor vehicle crash is 1 in 114. Given that our government has already squandered more than $500 billion on homeland security, while encroaching on our liberties, it is vital that Americans keep the threat of terrorism in perspective. This new study is one small step in that direction
Reason.com
Posted on 5/26/17 at 1:36 pm to Salmon
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that stats you posted agreed to what he said nothing you have stated or provided has proved his statement to be wrong
In a few countries, a quarter or more of Muslims say these acts of violence are at least sometimes justified, including 40% in the Palestinian territories, 39% in Afghanistan, 29% in Egypt and 26% in Bangladesh.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 1:38 pm to gthog61
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You said don't go where the "extremists" are
Well if you don't think there are any in either place you are not very bright
Quoted for lulz
Posted on 5/26/17 at 1:40 pm to el Gaucho
Lorena Bobbit has been Muslim for years.
Don't y'all remember when she beheaded her hubby?
Don't y'all remember when she beheaded her hubby?
Posted on 5/26/17 at 1:40 pm to Loserman
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In a few countries, a quarter or more of Muslims say these acts of violence are at least sometimes justified, including 40% in the Palestinian territories, 39% in Afghanistan, 29% in Egypt and 26% in Bangladesh.
and you continue to post stats that do not disprove the OP
Posted on 5/26/17 at 1:42 pm to Loserman
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In a few countries, a quarter or more of Muslims say these acts of violence are at least sometimes justified, including 40% in the Palestinian territories, 39% in Afghanistan, 29% in Egypt and 26% in Bangladesh.
What does the study show for SE Asia?
Posted on 5/26/17 at 1:43 pm to TheHumanTornado
quote:The texts must be studied to determine what we should get out of them, or in other words, what is an indicative (a statement) and what is an imperative (a command). History is indicative while direct commands for obedience and Christian living are imperatives. You won't find an imperative for Christians to slay unbelievers where they are or to cut their heads off for insulting Jesus. Instead, we are told to pray for our enemies, because conversion and repentance is done by the spirit of God, not by the sword of man.
Arent all religious texts essentially historical in nature? Most of them involve stories or letters. My point is that direct and indirect points in scripture are used as a crutch or excuse to be shitty to other people no matter what the actual context was. Most people don't just pick up a religious text and then walk outside and re-enact what it says. It takes a desperate or ill person to do that.
Islam, on the other hand, has many war verses where there are imperatives for readers to act as Mohammad acted; to kill unbelievers; cut off their heads and their finger tips. Islam is a religion where people can "convert" by making a confession even if they don't agree with it or believe it. Islam is a religion where the physical kingdom is sacred and the spiritual kingdom is unimportant (practically speaking). The very opposite of Christianity.
So yes, while anyone can use anything they want to justify their actions, there is no legitimate way someone can use the Bible (especially the New Testament) to justify murder in the name of Jesus or God the Father, but there is an abundance of ways Muslims can kill in the name of Allah and Mohammad and do so rightly and justly in accordance to their scriptures.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 1:47 pm to MrCarton
Look, I think we agree on more points than you think. I believe that the primary motivation for Islamic extremism is the religion itself ***with a close second being our interventions in the ME***
I think you believe that our interventions are the primary cause. I'm interested in learning more about why you think that. But you have to be more honest about the facts
I think based on this graph you should care
And I would like to know where you find the stat that says 95% of Muslims are Friday Muslims. Especially in light of the following graphic...
(Islamic law meaning Sharia law)
I think you believe that our interventions are the primary cause. I'm interested in learning more about why you think that. But you have to be more honest about the facts
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IDGAF if they have a reformation. It's not going to reform extremists anyway. 95% of Muslims are Friday muslims anyway, pious to a veru low degree, picking and choosing their major Muslim issue
I think based on this graph you should care
And I would like to know where you find the stat that says 95% of Muslims are Friday Muslims. Especially in light of the following graphic...
(Islamic law meaning Sharia law)
Posted on 5/26/17 at 1:48 pm to MrCarton
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generally agree with what you said, but this point doesn't make sense to me. The west is filled with violent history, and to this day is waging war across the globe. Maybe we should be focusing on reforming ourselves and stay the frick out of the places where the extremists
Maybe but these fricks are here now.
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