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re: Elderly man spends 20k on ATV; family upset with dealer
Posted on 5/22/17 at 12:29 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
Posted on 5/22/17 at 12:29 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
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also find it difficult to believe that the dealership couldn't tell something was wrong. If he has been diagnosed already, it should be pretty clear that the man has dementia
Yea, I'm going to need to see that credit app he filled out.
But if the dealer fought me, I would put it for sale right next to them for 3 grand cheaper.
Was it even driven?
Posted on 5/22/17 at 1:04 pm to sweetwaterbilly
If the guy went into the dealer with the ability to drive to the dealer, pick out a model he wanted, know enough to put x amount of dollars down to get a note to a certain point, fill out & sign his name on a credit app, get approved due to correct credit info, take delivery of the unit, get it home, and put some hours on the unit the deal seems legit.
I bet the dealer would have worked with the family if they would not have thrown them under the bus.
I bet the dealer would have worked with the family if they would not have thrown them under the bus.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 1:11 pm to Evolved Simian
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NOW you have come to the part that contradicts your first statement.
I know the dealer pretty well so seeing the price tag at that price didn't sound right at all. Banks are only going to give customers a certain amount based on loan to value of bikes like that. I figured either the family had the price wrong or the news didn't report the right figures. Looking at the contract that Rando posted that is more in line of what I was thinking if he purchased a warranty and GAP coverage with it
Posted on 5/22/17 at 1:43 pm to 14&Counting
Someone with mild dementia can still be capable of making legal and financial decisions. The only person that can determine if someone is competent or not is a medical professional and this man was diagnosed after the fact.
This post was edited on 5/22/17 at 1:50 pm
Posted on 5/22/17 at 1:46 pm to johnnyrocket
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I bet the dealer would have worked with the family if they would not have thrown them under the bus.
Exactly. If there was any chance the dealer was going to wiggle a little bit and help them out, that's gone. The dealer's name is being dragged through the mud for doing nothing wrong.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 1:52 pm to brbengalgal
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. The only person that can determine if someone is competent or not is a medical professional and was diagnosed after the fact.
That's Bs and dementia doesn't just turn on overnight usually, it's usually a pretty slow process. So if he was diagnosed a couple months later he extremely likely to be affected by it well before the official diagnosis. It's definitely extremely likely this guy had a very difficult time buying this vehicle. If you've ever been around someone with dementia there are absolutely warning signs and clear indicators.
It's also extremely possible his dementia was part of the reason he bought it, it could of been for some stupid reason like he thought he could drive it on the road without a license or it was 'a cool looking jeep'.
No one was there so it's very possible it was hard for the dealer to know. But it's also extremely possible they knew they were selling to a lunatic that could barely sign his own name. The only sure thing is no one knows and no one can say either way. But the family very well could of known that he was losing his mind at that time and that no one should of sold to him. This guy had been driving for years and there are tons of older folks who shouldn't be on the road, so his ability to drive there and home is really not a great indicator either.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 2:01 pm to baldona
It is ansolutely true, a person is considered competent until a medical professional states otherwise. Every person over 18 enjoys this fact.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 2:34 pm to sweetwaterbilly
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Rando what kind of whip is your wife driving?? I'm 27, but if you'd like to adopt any children I will volunteer.
Given that I'm 7 years older than you, that may not work
Wife's old car. Ls460L sport with the levinson package and every other stupid option you can imagine. Had a warranty that paid for itself about 4x over before we cancelled it.
We have thankfully both downsized. Newest vehicle is now the jeep. And I think it's a 2004..or 03. Idk actually
Live poor. It's infinitely cheaper.
This post was edited on 5/22/17 at 3:56 pm
Posted on 5/22/17 at 2:36 pm to brbengalgal
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It is ansolutely true, a person is considered competent until a medical professional states otherwise. Every person over 18 enjoys this fact.
try to take a truck load of chainsaws or generators down to FL after the next hurricane and sell them for one penny over what you can prove that you paid for them and see what happens
This post was edited on 5/22/17 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 5/22/17 at 2:41 pm to 777Tiger
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try to take a truck load of chainsaws or generators down to FL after the next hurricane and sell them for one penny over what you can prove that you paid for them and see what happens
Wtf are you talking about?
Posted on 5/22/17 at 2:47 pm to X123F45
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Wtf are you talking about?
just saying there are laws in certain states against taking advantage of consumers in certain situations, including the elderly and mentally challenged, that's all, my Dad died from Alzheimer's and had some wealth, the snakes came a slithering out of the grass to try and get him alone and separate him from some of it, that's what I'm talking about
This post was edited on 5/22/17 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 5/22/17 at 2:51 pm to Eli Goldfinger
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ATVs/UTVs are ridiculously expensive...that's all I can think.
All recreationals are, ATV, boats, JetSkis, airplanes. But they depreciate at a ridiculous rate. Buy a 5-10 year old and pay 25%of the new price.
This post was edited on 5/22/17 at 10:20 pm
Posted on 5/22/17 at 3:13 pm to 777Tiger
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certain states against taking advantage of consumers in certain situations
Did you even watch the video?
Old baw bought a 10k side by side, threw about 3 grand in parts on it. Judging by the pictures, he got bigger tires, a light bar, and a windshield. And that's just what I can see. Idk.
In the court of Rando, that's no big deal.
ETA: I just realized I know this guy. He used to hunt with us. Given a few guys in the club have CF motos, I bet that's why he ended up getting one. Didn't know Tony was going through that. Haven't seen him in probably 2 years. I think he used to roll a honda on 30s or 28s. Maybe a 300? Idk.
This post was edited on 5/22/17 at 3:16 pm
Posted on 5/22/17 at 3:28 pm to X123F45
quote:I knew a Tony Corona from Baker when I was growing up. He would be around
ETA: I just realized I know this guy
70, 71 years old now.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 3:51 pm to bobbyleewilliams
Pretty sure it's the same guy. I don't think he's in baker anymore. But that was at least two years ago.
I feel bad for him, but I stand by what I said. You don't go buy a side by side, then have the wherewithal to go buy a trailer to go pick it up all while being mentally deficient.
I feel bad for him, but I stand by what I said. You don't go buy a side by side, then have the wherewithal to go buy a trailer to go pick it up all while being mentally deficient.
This post was edited on 5/22/17 at 3:55 pm
Posted on 5/22/17 at 3:56 pm to brbengalgal
quote:But a medical professional could also determine, to a degree of medical probability, that the man did not have the capacity to enter into a contract at the time of contracting this invalidating the contract.
The only person that can determine if someone is competent or not is a medical professional and this man was diagnosed after the fact.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 3:59 pm to PearlJam
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But a medical professional could also determine, to a degree of medical probability, that the man did not have the capacity to enter into a contract at the time of contracting this invalidating the contract.
And no medical professional would risk their reputation purely on conjecture.
Circular logic is circular.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 4:00 pm to X123F45
quote:Happens in court rooms and depositions every single day.
And no medical professional would risk their reputation purely on conjecture.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 4:03 pm to PearlJam
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Happens in court rooms and depositions every single day.
And those "experts" are paid handsomely for it.
Therefore they have no reputation to worry about.
Respected physicians do not gamble on pure probability.
Show me an insurance company producing "expert witnesses" and I'll show you a victory via a bad faith claim.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 4:06 pm to X123F45
quote:It's not a gamble, it is an opinion based on experience, education, training, medical science, and a legal standard. Lots of highly respected medical professionals give expert testimony.
Respected physicians do not gamble on pure probability.
This post was edited on 5/22/17 at 4:07 pm
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