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Robert E. Lee has been misrepresented by regressive "historians"

Posted on 5/22/17 at 3:20 am
Posted by Parmen
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 5/22/17 at 3:20 am
Man never fought for slavery, only for his home state Virginia.

Scene from Gods and Generals showing this
This post was edited on 5/22/17 at 3:23 am
Posted by AUsteriskPride
Albuquerque, NM
Member since Feb 2011
18385 posts
Posted on 5/22/17 at 5:48 am to
I think it's slightly dishonest on both sides. Lee most certainly supported slavery in the sense he used them to right his inherited plantation after it had fallen on hard times. Even before the ones he inherited, he owned some of his own. He was in the small minority that actually owned them. Now did he support state's rights? Sure. But let's not pretend he didn't have an economic dependence on the institution of slavery.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 5/22/17 at 6:35 am to
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I think it's slightly dishonest on both sides. Lee most certainly supported slavery
Lee was completely in it for states' rights. 100%.
He was fighting for Virginia. His personal decision had nothing whatsoever to do with slavery either way. As Virginia went, so went Lee.

Lee met with Lincoln and was offered command of the US Army. Had his state held fast with the Union, Lee was prepared to lead Union troops from the outset.

The war would have lasted 12-18 mos instead of 4yrs. Outcome re: slavery would have been less fortunate though in that it may have persisted in VA, MD, DE for another decade.
This post was edited on 5/22/17 at 6:36 am
Posted by Placebeaux
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Posted on 5/22/17 at 6:35 am to
Posted by ILeaveAtHalftime
Member since Sep 2013
2889 posts
Posted on 5/22/17 at 6:38 am to
Why people on either side of this issue care so much about the Civil War will always be lost on me.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a history buff with the best of them. But this shite truly does not matter
This post was edited on 5/22/17 at 6:39 am
Posted by MorgusTheMagnificent
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2014
1893 posts
Posted on 5/22/17 at 7:03 am to
If you were a history buff than you would know why it matters
Posted by ILeaveAtHalftime
Member since Sep 2013
2889 posts
Posted on 5/22/17 at 7:06 am to
That's just silly and typically dramatic for this board regarding the Civil War. It is nothing but history at this point. Someone else doesn't share your view of it? Ignore them and go about your day.
This post was edited on 5/22/17 at 7:09 am
Posted by Bayou
Boudin, LA
Member since Feb 2005
37929 posts
Posted on 5/22/17 at 7:09 am to
It fricking matters because you have masses today that have not been taught truth. The fallout from that is huge.
I do not believe for one second you are a history buff
This post was edited on 5/22/17 at 7:10 am
Posted by ILeaveAtHalftime
Member since Sep 2013
2889 posts
Posted on 5/22/17 at 7:10 am to
You don't have to, I don't have to prove anything to you either.

But having arguments over the Civil War almost 2 centuries later is absolutely pointless. It's possible to study and enjoy history while also keeping things in perspective.
This post was edited on 5/22/17 at 7:12 am
Posted by Bayou
Boudin, LA
Member since Feb 2005
37929 posts
Posted on 5/22/17 at 7:11 am to
Sure, because it's always too late to educate
This post was edited on 5/22/17 at 7:12 am
Posted by Bayou
Boudin, LA
Member since Feb 2005
37929 posts
Posted on 5/22/17 at 7:13 am to
Since you are stuck on slaves who possessed slaves at the end of that war? Lee or Grant?
Posted by CorporateTiger
Member since Aug 2014
10700 posts
Posted on 5/22/17 at 7:13 am to
I understand the civil war's importance in the history of the USA. At the same time, I've never understood modern people who seemingly let their self identity get wrapped up in the "Lost Cause" concept.

That ranges from plastering the confederate flag on stuff (often while criticizing immigrants for using their old country's flag), to having to defend many figures in the Confederacy, to trying to pretend slavery wasn't something the Confederacy supported.

The causes of the war were varied. Some confederates were complete racists. Ultimately having brother kill brother is one of the worst periods in our history and we should learn the lesson that we are a great nation together and move on.
Posted by ILeaveAtHalftime
Member since Sep 2013
2889 posts
Posted on 5/22/17 at 7:14 am to
I don't care at all about slavery what are you talking about?

ETA: Im not sure I even mentioned "slave" at all, directly or by reference. I pointed out that too many people here get pointlessly heated over a silly subject. The civil war is barely even mentioned anymore in schools. That's unfortunate, but reality. Most of its effects are incredibly attenuated, so it is being deemphasized more and more, as every historical event is over times. I think it is silly to watch this board rush to defend Southron honor at every turn, for what reason?
This post was edited on 5/22/17 at 7:22 am
Posted by WhiskeyPapa
Member since Aug 2016
9277 posts
Posted on 5/22/17 at 7:20 am to
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Man never fought for slavery, only for his home state Virginia.


Same thing. Lee couldn't support Virginia without supporting slavery.

Slavery and Virginia were inextricably linked. By 1861 Virginia's largest industry was exporting slaves to other states.

"The importation of slaves was officially prohibited by Article I, Section 9 of the U.S. Constitution in 1808, but it had little impact. Slave smuggling was common. Virginia became the center of the slave trade and shipped Virginia-born slaves to fast-growing states along the eastern coast, and later in the Deep South. Natural increase accounted for practically all of the slave-population growth in the United States."

LINK


Virginia's economy was dependent upon slavery. That was the State's Right that Lee was fighting for.

The -best- thing you can say about Lee is that he was a man of the past, when we always need men of the future - true heroes like Lincoln, Grant and Sherman.
This post was edited on 5/22/17 at 7:23 am
Posted by MorgusTheMagnificent
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2014
1893 posts
Posted on 5/22/17 at 7:22 am to
How much time needs to pass after a historical event before hat event no longer matters?
Posted by MrCarton
Paradise Valley, MT
Member since Dec 2009
20231 posts
Posted on 5/22/17 at 7:23 am to
quote:

But having arguments over the Civil War almost 2 centuries later is absolutely pointless. It's possible to study and enjoy history while also keeping things in perspective.



Posted by ILeaveAtHalftime
Member since Sep 2013
2889 posts
Posted on 5/22/17 at 7:25 am to
Lol at you trying to make it seem like I am making that up. As if logically things won't be deemphasized as time goes along and their effects are attenuated. You're so caught up in trying to get in an argument over the war that you're missing my point entirely. Which is that all of this is a dumb thing to get upset about.
This post was edited on 5/22/17 at 7:28 am
Posted by WhiskeyPapa
Member since Aug 2016
9277 posts
Posted on 5/22/17 at 7:26 am to
quote:

How much time needs to pass after a historical event before hat event no longer matters?


Small people care abut small things.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
35810 posts
Posted on 5/22/17 at 7:37 am to
quote:

Man never fought for slavery, only for his home state Virginia.
Losers don't get to write the history books.
Posted by blackrose890
Fayetteville, AR
Member since Apr 2009
6322 posts
Posted on 5/22/17 at 7:37 am to
You'll have a hard time convincing people that Sherman was a hero. He was an excellent military commander, but he oversaw and committed some of the most terrible actions in american warfare. Sherman would be probably most accurately described the greatest tool of destruction the USA ever unleashed within its own borders.
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