Started By
Message

re: What's your view on vaccinations?

Posted on 5/4/17 at 6:52 am to
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
18157 posts
Posted on 5/4/17 at 6:52 am to
I'm a big fan of the concept. The problems with it in this country are many:

1) Vaccines are not subjected to safety tests vs a placebo. They are only safety tested vs old vaccines that were never safety tested. If it isn't worse they consider it OK w/out ever figuring out what issues existing vaccines might be causing.

2) Vaccine manufacturer's cannot be taken to court if they make a bad product. They are protected in this country. So if you get a bad vaccine and get sick or die, nobody can sue or go after the vaccine maker.

3) Multiple vaccines at once.....There are literally zero tests done to insure the safety of taking more than one vaccine at a time. People are just guinea pigs. Our doctor makes sure our kids get no more than 1 vaccine within any 4 week period. This provides enough time for the immune system to recover and rebalance after each vaccine before getting the next.

4) Vaccines are recommended for people with zero testing. Take pregnant women for example. Doctors love to say get all these vaccines but there are zero safety studies on the effects of the vaccine on a fetus or a pregnant woman in general.

5) The flu shot is completely pointless. Influenza is an RNA replicator and a VERY sloppy one at that. Every time influenza reproduces it mutates. It is literally impossible to create a vaccine for influenza.

We need to start taking safety more seriously in this country. Other countries have done studies that have raised concerns but we just keep right on trucking along with no protection for the public.
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
22072 posts
Posted on 5/4/17 at 9:03 am to
quote:

1) Vaccines are not subjected to safety tests vs a placebo. They are only safety tested vs old vaccines that were never safety tested. If it isn't worse they consider it OK w/out ever figuring out what issues existing vaccines might be causing.


This is not true

quote:

2) Vaccine manufacturer's cannot be taken to court if they make a bad product. They are protected in this country. So if you get a bad vaccine and get sick or die, nobody can sue or go after the vaccine maker.


That's why we have the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program

quote:

3) Multiple vaccines at once.....There are literally zero tests done to insure the safety of taking more than one vaccine at a time. People are just guinea pigs. Our doctor makes sure our kids get no more than 1 vaccine within any 4 week period. This provides enough time for the immune system to recover and rebalance after each vaccine before getting the next.



A simple Google Scholar search yields 174,000 studies on the safety of vaccination schedules

quote:

4) Vaccines are recommended for people with zero testing. Take pregnant women for example. Doctors love to say get all these vaccines but there are zero safety studies on the effects of the vaccine on a fetus or a pregnant woman in general.


Almost 32,000 results just on the safety of the influenza vaccine in pregnant women

quote:

5) The flu shot is completely pointless. Influenza is an RNA replicator and a VERY sloppy one at that. Every time influenza reproduces it mutates. It is literally impossible to create a vaccine for influenza.


Here's a good resource on the efficacy of the influenza vaccination

It's clear you need to spend some time away from Jenny McCarthy's blog and read up on some facts.
Posted by Mephistopheles
Member since Aug 2007
8331 posts
Posted on 5/4/17 at 9:19 am to
quote:


2) Vaccine manufacturer's cannot be taken to court if they make a bad product. They are protected in this country. So if you get a bad vaccine and get sick or die, nobody can sue or go after the vaccine maker.


This simply isn't true. There's a whole special court for vaccines. Civil actions can still be pursued in court.

The problem was (and I will explain this poorly so I'll try and find a better explanation) in the 80s, so many suits were filed against vaccine makers that even if they had successfully defended every case, the cost of doing so would have put them out of business and made it almost impossible for anyone to ever make vaccines. Clearly this isn't in the public interest, so a "special court" was set up. Anyone who believes they or their child has suffered a vaccine injury can sue, it can be quick and easy, and it takes a lot of the insane financial burden of both bringing and defending cases.

better explanation

quote:



Allegations and confirmed instances of vaccine injuries in recent decades have appeared in litigation in the United States. Some families have won substantial awards from sympathetic juries, even though many public health officials have said that the claims of injuries are unfounded.[1] In response, several vaccine makers stopped production, threatening public health, and laws were passed to shield makers from liabilities stemming from vaccine injury claims.

Vaccine Injury Compensation Program[edit] In 1988, the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP) went into effect to compensate individuals and families of individuals who have been injured by covered childhood vaccines.[6] The VICP was adopted in response to an earlier scare over the pertussis portion of the DPT vaccine. These claims were later generally discredited, but some U.S. lawsuits against vaccine makers won substantial awards; most makers ceased production, and the last remaining major manufacturer threatened to do so.

Vaccine Injury Compensation Program Procedure & Legal Requirements[edit]

The VICP uses a no-fault, stream-lined system for litigating vaccine injury claims.[7] Claims that are denied can be pursued through civil lawsuits, though this is rare. The VICP covers all vaccines listed on the Vaccine Injury Table[8] which is maintained by the Secretary of Health and Human Services. To win an award, a claimant is only required to show a causal connection between an injury and one of the vaccines listed in the Vaccine Injury Table. Compensation is payable for “table” injuries, those listed in the Vaccine Injury Table, as well as, “non-table” injuries, injuries not listed in the table.[9]

In addition, an award may only be given if the claimant’s injury lasted for more than 6 months after the vaccine was given, resulted in a hospital stay and surgery or resulted in death. Awards are based on medical expenses, lost earnings and pain and suffering (capped at $250,000).[10]

From 1988 until March 3, 2011, 5,636 claims relating to autism, and 8,119 non-autism claims, were made to the VICP. 2,620 of these claims, one autism-related, were compensated, with 4,463 non-autism and 814 autism claims dismissed; awards (including attorney's fees) totaled over $2 billion. The VICP also applies to claims for injuries suffered before 1988; there were 4,264 of these claims of which 1,189 were compensated with awards totaling $903 million.[8] As of August 2014, over 2,000 individuals have been paid nearly $2 billion since the VICP began in 1988.[7]


LINK

FWIW, I'm as pro vax as they come, I'm also very wary of drugs manufacturers in general, but if they were trying to just screw people to make money, the easiest thing they could do is just not make vaccines. Treating measles is much more lucrative. Opposing vaccines is a huge political issue that many, well organized and dedicated people rally around and can provide a big hit on the manufacturers brand name - many of these vaccines are not huge money makers for them.


(and yeah I know I'm citing a wiki for medical issues, but that one is straight forward and well sourced)
This post was edited on 5/4/17 at 9:25 am
Posted by onmymedicalgrind
Nunya
Member since Dec 2012
10591 posts
Posted on 5/4/17 at 9:48 am to
quote:

not subjected to safety tests vs a placebo. They are only safety tested vs old vaccines that were never safety tested. If it isn't worse they consider it OK w/out ever figuring out what issues existing vaccines might be causing. 2) Vaccine manufacturer's cannot be taken to court if they make a bad product. They are protected in this country. So if you get a bad vaccine and get sick or die, nobody can sue or go after the vaccine maker. 3) Multiple vaccines at once.....There are literally zero tests done to insure the safety of taking more than one vaccine at a time. People are just guinea pigs. Our doctor makes sure our kids get no more than 1 vaccine within any 4 week period. This provides enough time for the immune system to recover and rebalance after each vaccine before getting the next. 4) Vaccines are recommended for people with zero testing. Take pregnant women for example. Doctors love to say get all these vaccines but there are zero safety studies on the effects of the vaccine on a fetus or a pregnant woman in general. 5) The flu shot is completely pointless. Influenza is an RNA replicator and a VERY sloppy one at that. Every time influenza reproduces it mutates. It is literally impossible to create a vaccine for influenza. We need to start taking safety more seriously in this country. Other countries have done studies that have raised concerns but we just keep right on trucking along with no protection for the public.


There is so much fail in this post I don't even have time to address them all. So I will just state summarily that you are fricking retarded.
first pageprev pagePage 1 of 1Next pagelast page
refresh

Back to top
logoFollow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News
Follow us on Twitter, Facebook and Instagram to get the latest updates on LSU Football and Recruiting.

FacebookTwitterInstagram