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Posted on 4/21/17 at 12:00 am to Tuscaloosa
Defense attorney was kicked off the case for being drunk during the trial and the judge was fricking the assistant prosecutor. I'm sure these are all things no one would mind if it was our family on trial.
Posted on 4/21/17 at 12:01 am to Tuscaloosa
How many innocent people have been put to death since the advent of DNA evidence?
Posted on 4/21/17 at 12:03 am to Robin Masters
Wow I had no idea that went on...
It's doubtful enough to just give him a life sentence but that's not an option obviously.
It's doubtful enough to just give him a life sentence but that's not an option obviously.
Posted on 4/21/17 at 12:03 am to Robin Masters
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Defense attorney was kicked off the case for being drunk during the trial and the judge was fricking the assistant prosecutor. I'm sure these are all things no one would mind if it was our family on trial.
Stuff like this coming to light should be an automatic commutation of the sentence to life without parole. Re-try the case if necessary. It's crazy to me that the United States of America is allowing people to die with that kind of incompetence surrounding the trial.
This post was edited on 4/21/17 at 1:41 am
Posted on 4/21/17 at 12:05 am to Jake88
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How many innocent people have been put to death since the advent of DNA evidence?
Nobody can answer that question just like you can't.
Posted on 4/21/17 at 12:07 am to Jake88
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How many innocent people have been put to death since the advent of DNA evidence?
DNA evidence plays a very small part in most capital punishment trials.
Posted on 4/21/17 at 12:07 am to Rakim
He brought it up as a point against the death penalty. I wanted an answer.
Posted on 4/21/17 at 12:09 am to Tuscaloosa
I can't believe I'm on Tuscaloosa'a side on this issue. 
Posted on 4/21/17 at 12:09 am to Rakim
Lawyer was removed from the trial and a new lawyer was provided.
He had 3 different cases against him. 2 rape cases and another rape homicide. All of which were dropped after the first death sentence. He would have been sentenced to death in the other murder case as well. You can't rape women and kill them.
He had 3 different cases against him. 2 rape cases and another rape homicide. All of which were dropped after the first death sentence. He would have been sentenced to death in the other murder case as well. You can't rape women and kill them.
This post was edited on 4/21/17 at 12:10 am
Posted on 4/21/17 at 12:09 am to Tuscaloosa
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ke this coming to light should be an automatic commutation of the sentence to life without parole. Re-try the case if necessary. It's crazy to me that the United State of America is allowing people to die with that kind of incompetence surrounding the trial.
I'm no expert on this case but it sounds like he was convicted with nothing but eye witness testimony which is horribly unreliable and has resulted in like 350+ DNA overturned convictions. They had hair from what they believed was the assailant but wouldn't do DNA test to confirm a match. Lees shoes which supposedly had the victims blood on them were destroyed after police tested them.
This was a bullshite case from start to finish. Lee was not a saint but our judicial system should be better than this. Or not seek the ultimate punishment.
Posted on 4/21/17 at 12:10 am to Centinel
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Just for clarity, are you one of the "the state doesn't have a right to take a life" libertarians or are you one of the "the state can't take a life unless it meets my particular criteria to do so" proggies?
I don't really fit into either category. I am pro-life in every sense of the word. If I had to pick one or the other, I would definitely say my beliefs more align with the state not having the right to take a life, period.
Posted on 4/21/17 at 12:10 am to Jake88
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He brought it up as a point against the death penalty. I wanted an answer.
Apologies Jake88
Posted on 4/21/17 at 12:12 am to Tuscaloosa
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I don't really fit into either category. I am pro-life in every sense of the word. If I had to pick one or the other, I would definitely say my beliefs more align with the state not having the right to take a life, period.
Fair enough. Lets take this further...at what point does a person forfeit their right to live?
Posted on 4/21/17 at 12:14 am to Jake88
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He brought it up as a point against the death penalty. I wanted an answer.
I believe there have been at least 8 confirmed "Wrongful executions." Recently, a case in 2004 where an "expert" was wrong about the cause of a fire, which resulted in the execution of a father in the house fire death of his family.
Here is a great article from TIME Magazine that provides some in depth statistical analysis, if you're interested.
LINK
Posted on 4/21/17 at 12:15 am to Tuscaloosa
I don't understand how democrats are against the death penalty but for abortion. Doesn't seem logical.
I'm against the death penalty for the reasons you stated and also against abortion (unless incest, rape or death to the mother). Registered. Independent btw
I'm against the death penalty for the reasons you stated and also against abortion (unless incest, rape or death to the mother). Registered. Independent btw
Posted on 4/21/17 at 12:16 am to Centinel
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Fair enough. Lets take this further...at what point does a person forfeit their right to live?
That's a tough question. I suppose my answer to that would be the moment they decide to die by their own hands. I don't think the government has any place in making that decision.
Posted on 4/21/17 at 12:16 am to rantfan
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I'm against the death penalty for the reasons you stated and also against abortion (unless incest, rape or death to the mother).
See now while I disagree with you, I respect you for your consistency in your beliefs. It's a rare thing to find.
Posted on 4/21/17 at 12:18 am to rantfan
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I don't understand how democrats are against the death penalty but for abortion. Doesn't seem logical.
I'm against the death penalty for the reasons you stated and also against abortion (unless incest, rape or death to the mother). Registered. Independent btw
This is among my biggest issue with the Democratic party. It is also among my biggest issue with the Republican party.
Democrats are against the death penalty, but are "pro-choice."
Republicans call themselves "pro-life" but support the death penalty and love war.
Lots of hypocrisy from both sides that neither are willing to address.
I'm just pro-life. I'm anti death penalty. Anti-abortion. Anti-war. Etc...
This post was edited on 4/21/17 at 12:18 am
Posted on 4/21/17 at 12:18 am to beebefootballfan
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Lawyer was removed from the trial and a new lawyer was provided. He had 3 different cases against him. 2 rape cases and another rape homicide. All of which were dropped after the first death sentence. He would have been sentenced to death in the other murder case as well. You can't rape women and kill them.
New lawyer failed to bring up the judges affair with the prosecution so you have to wonder how vigorous a defense he was mustering.
Why were the other cases dropped? I'm not a lawyer but just because they weee dropped doesn't mean he was obviously guilty of them. Maybe I'm naive but I thought that means he is considered innocent of those charges.
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