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re: LSU commitment Landon Marceaux was brilliant,
Posted on 4/11/17 at 10:40 am to the LSUSaint
Posted on 4/11/17 at 10:40 am to the LSUSaint
You're delusional. And not worth arguing with.
It's a regular season game you tard. And you're the one telling us to find facts.
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but one game, a championship game, and a young man goes to 120 pitches.....And now his coach is ruining his future?
It's a regular season game you tard. And you're the one telling us to find facts.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 1:06 pm to the LSUSaint
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bullshite you fricking liar, LOL. So, you were the waterboy. LOLOLOL. So tell us, in your ONE physiology class, what pitch count # did your "professor" tell you is too many for this kid in this game. fricking clown
Liar? I worked with Mickey mariotti, who is the current S&C director for OSU and was at UF. I interned at UF for a year and worked with basically every sport there. And it takes more than 1 physiology class to get a degree, you fricking dolt.
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So now YOU know his delivery, biomechanical stress, etc? Look, I understand the importance of guiding a kid, but a moron like yourself just deciding a random # makes the coach have bad judgement, is just stupid. Maybe it's 90% fastballs, which is less stress on different parts of the arm.
If you honestly believe 112 fast balls out of 125 pitches isn't causing soft tissue damage, you're about as ignorant as it gets. Seriously, don't quit your day job.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 1:10 pm to the LSUSaint
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Is the kid hurt?
YOU
ARE
CLUELESS
the kid is definitely sore. And even if not, you don't feel the effects of long term damage immediately.
125 pitches, of any kind, WILL UNDOUBTEDLY cause damage if it continues. This is not an opinion. This is a fact, and a well known one at this point.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 2:33 pm to ProjectP2294
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a regular season game you
Which decide district championship...thanks for shopping
Posted on 4/11/17 at 2:54 pm to cas4t
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causing soft tissue damage,
So does he have ligament damage?
Or do you mean soft tissue damage like soreness from lifting weights or a tough track workout?
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worked with Mickey mariotti,
Riiiiiiight. Before it was "i trained pitchers at UF". Now it's the water boy "worked with" and throw out a name biggger than you'll ever sniff.
Where do you work now? Pitching coach for the Yankees?
Posted on 4/11/17 at 3:00 pm to cas4t
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125 pitches, of any kind, WILL UNDOUBTEDLY cause damage if it continues. This is not an opinion. This is a fact, and a well known one at this point.
Like all body parts, yes, they wear down. Shocker.
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And even if not,
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the kid is definitely sore.
LOL....this is a great exMple of how you guys don't know a fricking thing about this kid!
Posted on 4/11/17 at 3:05 pm to the LSUSaint
And hey, I'm wide open to facts...show me facts that either injuries from high school thru MLB are down over the last 20 years or that they are related positively to a pitcher going over his count for one important game.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 5:52 pm to the LSUSaint
I highly encourage you to look more into this. You're obviously ignorant to modern science. Again, these aren't opinions. These are facts.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 5:54 pm to the LSUSaint
You can easily find the facts yourself. I assume you know how to use the internet. You're honestly coming across as a pretty stupid person in this thread. This shite is common knowledge.
It's like having to prove that texting and driving causes more accidents. It's that well known at this point. You're seriously dumb.
It's like having to prove that texting and driving causes more accidents. It's that well known at this point. You're seriously dumb.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 5:57 pm to the LSUSaint
I never said I trained pitchers. I said I worked with baseball. Which I did. I was in the S&C department at UF. I don't know what else to tell you, considering you keep making things up to suit your argument.
I know more about this than you. I'm sorry you don't like that.
Honestly, can you even name the ligaments in the elbow or shoulder? Without googling, can you? If you can't do that, then you don't understand anatomy. Without understanding the anatomy, you definitely can't understand their functions. Without understanding their functions, you cant understand how they are affected when throwing a baseball.
You're a dumbass with a big mouth, period.
I know more about this than you. I'm sorry you don't like that.
Honestly, can you even name the ligaments in the elbow or shoulder? Without googling, can you? If you can't do that, then you don't understand anatomy. Without understanding the anatomy, you definitely can't understand their functions. Without understanding their functions, you cant understand how they are affected when throwing a baseball.
You're a dumbass with a big mouth, period.
This post was edited on 4/11/17 at 6:00 pm
Posted on 4/11/17 at 8:55 pm to the LSUSaint
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Which decide district championship...thanks for shopping
District titles are meaningless for most of the LHSAA
Posted on 4/12/17 at 9:15 am to JJ27
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Barbe is notorious for this. So much so at one point Tulane flat out stated they'd stop recruiting any pitcher from Barbe because they've been ruined by the time they get to college
Cecchini don't give a frick about Tulane.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 1:10 pm to ProjectP2294
How about this breakdown:
Pre game warm up pitches-20-25
Actual Pitch count for 9 inn game- 125
warm up pitches b/w inn- 6 x9= 54
Real total for game- 200+
I don't care who the kid is or what his tolerance is nothing should make the above ok
Pre game warm up pitches-20-25
Actual Pitch count for 9 inn game- 125
warm up pitches b/w inn- 6 x9= 54
Real total for game- 200+
I don't care who the kid is or what his tolerance is nothing should make the above ok
Posted on 4/12/17 at 6:01 pm to rookietiger995
WM is playing Pineville at the moment. Pineville pitcher just threw 120 in 7 innings.
Posted on 4/13/17 at 8:52 am to cas4t
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It's like having to prove that texting and driving causes more accidents. It's that well known at this point. You're seriously dumb.
No one is denying overused arms on a constant basis isn't good. The argument was THIS kid in this game who threw basically 10 pitches over what most acccept as the most a 17 or 18 yr old should throw. That being said, I would think a major prospect has advanced knowledge of situation and limitations of his arm, including his family and coaches.
He pitched the equivalent of a complete game in a very important tied game which could decide the district championship. That's not even in the same conversation of "ruining his future" or a coach not protecting his arm just because he's an LSU signee. Those are just moronic overreactions from less intelligent LSU fans.
But let me guess, if it were Aaron Nola, and LSU had a chance to win the SEC championship, you're fine with him going on 2 days rest out of the bullpen or staring, right? You would say he's a warrior, a "gamer", and a team guy......even though you know it's not good for a pitcher to consistently go on short rest.
Just quit being overreacting idiots just because he pitched for a possible championship.
This post was edited on 4/13/17 at 9:23 am
Posted on 4/13/17 at 8:54 am to rookietiger995
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How about this breakdown:
Pre game warm up pitches-20-25
Actual Pitch count for 9 inn game- 125
warm up pitches b/w inn- 6 x9= 54
Real total for game- 200+
Everyone already knows about warm ups and such, no real reason to break those out. Just goes without saying.
Posted on 4/13/17 at 9:06 am to RATeamWannabe
Throwing 125 at this point in the season is not the worst as long as he treats it properly with ice, running, rest, then long toss.
125 multiple times in a row on short rest with no recovery period is when injuries start.
If a pitcher isnt sore the next day, no matter if 50 pitches or 100, they weren't trying hard enough. Of course this soreness should be in upper back, shoulder, triceps region. Elbow soreness is not good
125 multiple times in a row on short rest with no recovery period is when injuries start.
If a pitcher isnt sore the next day, no matter if 50 pitches or 100, they weren't trying hard enough. Of course this soreness should be in upper back, shoulder, triceps region. Elbow soreness is not good
Posted on 4/13/17 at 9:29 am to CypressTrout10
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CypressTrout10
Get reafybto be labelled stupid and ignoring scientific stats because you know the game and understand throwing arm situations.
The level of dumb by these guys who see a recruit has thrown 120 pitches and can't believe he's putting his future on the line, is astounding.
Posted on 4/13/17 at 10:32 am to the LSUSaint
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But let me guess, if it were Aaron Nola, and LSU had a chance to win the SEC championship, you're fine with him going on 2 days rest out of the bullpen or staring, right? You would say he's a warrior, a "gamer", and a team guy......even though you know it's not good for a pitcher to consistently go on short rest.
this is a terrible analogy... LSU is never bringing back Aaron Nola on short rest for anything before the regional or Omaha
in a "REGULAR SEASON" context, you never tax your guys' arms unnecessarily. no district championship or SEC championship is worth jeopardizing your ace's health for the games that truly matter (and be real, the ace is the only one you think you have to bring back on short rest or extend him past normal)
in a "POSTSEASON" context, where the championship that matters (LHSAA state playoff, NCAA regional, or MLB playoffs) is on the line, you do so and agonize greatly over it.
i'd like LHSAA to further change the pitching rule to one day of rest per inning pitched... our ace last week threw 91 pitches on Friday in 7 innings, then came back in relief for a game on Tuesday, with the excuse that "he would have been throwing a bullpen anyway".
bullshite.
High pressure relief in a high pressure game is not a bullpen. he came in in the fifth and just ran out of gas in the seventh, eventually walking in the winning run. If they make that rule that one inning = one day of rest, it will "standardize" the average HS start to 4 or 5 innings of a 7 inning game, which will be good to protect young arms
This post was edited on 4/13/17 at 10:42 am
Posted on 4/13/17 at 10:51 am to chalmetteowl
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i'd like LHSAA to further change the pitching rule to one day of rest per inning pitched... our ace last week threw 91 pitches on Friday in 7 innings, then came back in relief for a game on Tuesday, with the excuse that "he would have been throwing a bullpen anyway".
Ehhhh not a fan of that because WM has had guys throw 60 pitch complete games. I'd hate for a kid to pitch Monday and not be able to go Saturday after throwing 60 pitches.
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