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re: Trump's 2018 Budget revealed

Posted on 3/16/17 at 12:48 am to
Posted by AUsteriskPride
Albuquerque, NM
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Posted on 3/16/17 at 12:48 am to
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Arts and Culture: -1B (-100%) 


I can't get over how spectacular that is.

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Posted by Tiger Tracker
Austin,TX
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 3/16/17 at 12:53 am to
I thought he was investing in infrastructure, but i thought that would fall under transportation though? Maybe i am mistaken. Anyone know?
Posted by AUsteriskPride
Albuquerque, NM
Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 3/16/17 at 1:02 am to
If I'm not mistaken, a lot of those projects (high speed rail for example) are seeking a cooperative with private industry. That would more than likely come next cycle.

I am hoping for high speed rail here, I would even give 2% of my income for up to 10 years to make it happen.
Posted by Tiger Tracker
Austin,TX
Member since Nov 2015
7232 posts
Posted on 3/16/17 at 1:09 am to
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If I'm not mistaken, a lot of those projects (high speed rail for example) are seeking a cooperative with private industry. That would more than likely come next cycle.


Thank you for clarifying. So like a toll road, but with rail?

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I am hoping for high speed rail here, I would even give 2% of my income for up to 10 years to make it happen.


I wish more people here had that mentality. We couldn't pass bonds to get our rail extended. No one in Texas, not even Austin, wants to pay MORE real estate taxes to make it happen.

I moved out of the city. I am not sitting in that shite storm of traffic come 2020.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35252 posts
Posted on 3/16/17 at 1:10 am to
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I am hoping for high speed rail here, I would even give 2% of my income for up to 10 years to make it happen
I really want it here too, but the costs are often surprisingly high. And I can't help but wonder with technology, specifically the possibilities of driverless cars, if the value is less than a decade or two ago.
Posted by AUsteriskPride
Albuquerque, NM
Member since Feb 2011
18385 posts
Posted on 3/16/17 at 1:29 am to
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Thank you for clarifying. So like a toll road, but with rail


Yes, of course. It's a taxpayer investment, but the costs would be much cheaper than flying due to that. I feel it would also be beneficial in freeing up interstate traffic and continual maintenance there due to fewer vehicles.


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I wish more people here had that mentality. We couldn't pass bonds to get our rail extended. No one in Texas, not even Austin, wants to pay MORE real estate taxes to make it happen.



They would if it were framed in the right dimensions. Just as global warming became this political frickery, it could have been easily avoided with terming it as "cleaner air". Everyone likes clean air, not everyone believes man is solely responsible for climate change.

Regardless, with high speed rail, you sell it as half the cost of a flight, no TSA, high speed internet and satellite TV while you travel, opportunities to exit early, you're grounded at all times, weather has little effect on travel times, you get to see the country..

I mean the marketing opportunities are endless here. It's really a no brainer.
Posted by Tiger Tracker
Austin,TX
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 3/16/17 at 1:32 am to
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I mean the marketing opportunities are endless here. It's really a no brainer.


Yeah I've been on board woth this. I personally don't like toll roads though. Maybe because i can be more picky due to the fact i work from home, but i hate the idea of paying more for something i am already contributing to in tax dollars.
Posted by AUsteriskPride
Albuquerque, NM
Member since Feb 2011
18385 posts
Posted on 3/16/17 at 1:33 am to
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And I can't help but wonder with technology, specifically the possibilities of driverless cars, if the value is less than a decade or two ago


Until vehicles are almost frictionless, there is immense value when considering interstate maintenance costs, vehicle upkeep, emergency responders for interstate accidents, etc. Then you also have to insure your vehicle after you purchase it and supply it with fuel.

Couple in the fact high speed rail allows for socialization and a wide variety of activities while traveling, I don't think a driverless cars can offer the same options.
This post was edited on 3/16/17 at 1:35 am
Posted by AUsteriskPride
Albuquerque, NM
Member since Feb 2011
18385 posts
Posted on 3/16/17 at 1:36 am to
Well it wouldn't really be a toll per-se, but a fare. I pay a fare everytime I drive my car to work through upkeep, fuel, car payment, and insurance.
This post was edited on 3/16/17 at 1:37 am
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 3/16/17 at 1:39 am to
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I agree, but if their intentional and probably self-serving limitations on treatment options is driving costs,
Well no shite. It's a government program. That's all of our's future healthcare until we get government out of it completely btw.
Posted by Tiger Tracker
Austin,TX
Member since Nov 2015
7232 posts
Posted on 3/16/17 at 1:39 am to
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Then you also have to insure your vehicle


So I've been curious about this with driverless cars. If you get in to an accident is the blame on you, assuming the car's "intelligence" malfunctions? Seems like, from this standpoint, lawsuits would be a big issue.

If I'm not in control of the car, and it decides to swerve or change lanes without my authority and i hit someone who pays for it? The manufacturer or the driver?
Posted by joshnorris14
Florida
Member since Jan 2009
45353 posts
Posted on 3/16/17 at 1:40 am to
Your insurance company
Posted by AUsteriskPride
Albuquerque, NM
Member since Feb 2011
18385 posts
Posted on 3/16/17 at 1:47 am to
No doubt, there is a huge liability on the part of manufacturers for driverless cars, which means they are going to ridiculously expensive to cover those costs. Essentially, we'll pay their insurance premium during the purchase. It has to be that way, lest the insurance company of the car owner is always fighting with car manufacturers to compensate them.

With that said, over time I am sure accidents will drop to near zero fault in terms of technology in the vehicles and the costs will lower.
This post was edited on 3/16/17 at 1:49 am
Posted by Tiger Tracker
Austin,TX
Member since Nov 2015
7232 posts
Posted on 3/16/17 at 1:47 am to
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Your insurance company


frick that then. I'm not paying for a car's frick up, if that's the case.
Posted by stendulkar
Member since Aug 2012
767 posts
Posted on 3/16/17 at 1:48 am to
All those cuts won't make up for the $52B increase in defense spending. Tell me why we need to increase defense budget by so much? This is nothing but white collar entitlement for the military industrial complex.
Posted by Tiger Tracker
Austin,TX
Member since Nov 2015
7232 posts
Posted on 3/16/17 at 1:49 am to
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With that said, over time I am sure accidents will drop to near zero fault in terms of technology in the vehicles.


I agree. I just think this will be a long time in the making. I think for this to work it's an all or nothing thing. Either all cars are driverless or not. Seems a mix of driver and driverless on the road will cause huge liability issues no manufacturer would want to bear.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35252 posts
Posted on 3/16/17 at 1:53 am to
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Until vehicles are almost frictionless, there is immense value when considering interstate maintenance costs, vehicle upkeep, emergency responders for interstate accidents, etc. Then you also have to insure your vehicle after you purchase it and supply it with fuel.
But many of those costs aren't going to go away. Even we had mass transit I would still have a vehicle. Most places after like New York, where it's easy to not have one, and it's space is so limited that the costs can be ridiculous.

But the thing is that these projects take a long time to complete. Not only because of the planning and construction, but there are legal considerations and delays since eminent domain is likely.

So if we're going to create a transportation system that's expensive, and time consuming, then we better consider the future value of it in a rapidly changing society.
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Couple in the fact high speed rail allows for socialization and a wide variety of activities while traveling, I don't think a driverless cars can offer the same options.
Socialization, sure. But many people don't prefer to socialize, especially on their commute. But I don't know what activities you could do on a rail system, that you couldn't so in a driverless car (read, computer work, play games on phone, etc.).

So really the additional opportunity to socialize is a trivial benefit, since it's not something universally used or valued, and that can be attained elsewhere.
Posted by AUsteriskPride
Albuquerque, NM
Member since Feb 2011
18385 posts
Posted on 3/16/17 at 1:55 am to
I don't think it will take long. Technology is advancing at such a high rate. As with any new technology, the wealthiest will benefit initially, and their ability to purchase above the middle class price point will advance the technology to drive down costs. Not too long ago, the wealthy were the only ones with AC and fuel injection in their vehicles. It'll be common place soon.
Posted by Tiger Tracker
Austin,TX
Member since Nov 2015
7232 posts
Posted on 3/16/17 at 1:55 am to
Yes. That's my biggest concern too. I would like to see something revenue neutral instead of increasing spending overall.
Posted by AUsteriskPride
Albuquerque, NM
Member since Feb 2011
18385 posts
Posted on 3/16/17 at 1:56 am to
Ok, let me frame it this way, party cabooses with open bars.
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