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re: Garic: Pats still trying to get Cooks with a 32
Posted on 3/7/17 at 6:08 pm to TigerBait1127
Posted on 3/7/17 at 6:08 pm to TigerBait1127
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et's not act like the 32nd pick isn't greatly disvalued compared to a top 20 pick. If the #18 or better is on the table, it would easily take
That wasn't my point. I think 32 is enough based on past WR trades . Sure if we can get a higher pick in the 1st Rd we do it. But I don't think it's that or bust. If they want to trade him they'll end up taking 32 if it's still on the table
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Posted on 3/7/17 at 6:09 pm to TigerBait1127
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So you're saying if new england offered him for just a 5th tomorrow with no strings attached, you wouldn't take it?
Every single team in the Nfl would take that, even Green Bay, Indy, and Seattle
the statement was what I think his value is, not what he can get on the market. there is a HUGE difference in those two things.
teams right now ready to give up 1st round picks for him, that is how desperate the QB situation is today but no way is that where an honest valuation puts him.
when you don't have a car and have to walk 100 miles to get somewhere you will buy a Yugo for $10k if need be, but its still a Yugo and its not worth what you had to give up to get it lol
as to giving our 5th for him, I wouldn't like it at all, but wouldn't feel the need to bitch about it because it would be good insurance to have since we are also about to be in a desperate situation at QB next year.
This post was edited on 3/7/17 at 6:12 pm
Posted on 3/7/17 at 6:09 pm to Lester Earl
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That wasn't my point. I think 32 is enough based on past WR trades . Sure if we can get a higher pick in the 1st Rd we do it. But I don't think it's that or bust. If they want to trade him they'll end up taking 32 if it's still on the table
I mean I guess I agree with that, as he clearly needs to be dealt at this point given the crap we've been witnessing.
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I think 32 is enough based on past WR trades .
How many are comparable given the current contract status of Cooks, the rising costs of WRs, and the rookie structure? It hasn't been around very long
Posted on 3/7/17 at 6:13 pm to keakar
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the statement was what I think his value is, not what he can get on the market. there is a HUGE difference in those two things.
LINK
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: a fair return or equivalent in goods, services, or money for something exchanged
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: the monetary worth of something : market price
The market is what determines value....
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teams right now ready to give up 1st round picks for him, that is how desperate the QB situation is today but no way is that where an honest valuation puts him.
when you don't have a car and have to walk 100 miles to get somewhere you will buy a Yugo for $10k if need be, but its still a Yugo and its not worth what you had to give up to get it lol
So there is such a shortage of QBs, that it drives of the price of them?
Sounds like that makes them more valuable
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as to giving our 5th for him, I wouldn't like it at all, but wouldn't feel the need to bitch about it because it would be good insurance to have since we are also about to be in a desperate situation at QB next year.
Sorry you don't appreciate assets
This post was edited on 3/7/17 at 6:16 pm
Posted on 3/7/17 at 6:36 pm to keakar
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I value Garoppolo as only a 6-7 round pick value, the man literally only played in what? 3 games? he hasn't even shown himself to be a reliable backup yet much less a starting QB option.
The Pats will release him anyways after next year the last year on his current contract. Pats going to give him the option to resign for cheap or go somewhere else. Cooks is much more valuable and I wouldn't be surprised if orher teams come into play.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 6:42 pm to karralum
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The Pats will release him anyways after next year the last year on his current contrac
How do you release someone not under contract?
Posted on 3/7/17 at 6:44 pm to TigerBait1127
He has 1 more year on a rookie deal then his team option that gives him quite the bump in pay if exercised. It's a short term move for a team that trades for him before he gets a big pay day relatively soon. Makes the most sense for a team like NE tbh.
As for comparable WRs, Kenny Stills netted a 3rd Rder and Ellerbee. Cooks isn't that much better than him. Pick 32 is fair value . Anything higher and I'd be surprised if we aren't giving away a pick with Cooks to make it work
As for comparable WRs, Kenny Stills netted a 3rd Rder and Ellerbee. Cooks isn't that much better than him. Pick 32 is fair value . Anything higher and I'd be surprised if we aren't giving away a pick with Cooks to make it work
Posted on 3/7/17 at 6:45 pm to Lester Earl
quote:Are you kidding me? Do you watch football or just troll on a website?
As for comparable WRs, Kenny Stills netted a 3rd Rder and Ellerbee. Cooks isn't that much better than h
Posted on 3/7/17 at 6:47 pm to Lester Earl
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Kenny Stills netted a 3rd Rder and Ellerbee. Cooks isn't that much better than him
Dafuq
Posted on 3/7/17 at 6:55 pm to Lester Earl
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If they want to trade him
And I don't think they want to trade him. This all started from a report about teams asking for him.
We own his rights this year for $2.5ish mil, then next year at $9ish mil, and then can tag him the year after for possibly $12ish mil.
There is zero rush to trade him this year. We have 3 years to do something with him.
It's going to take a hell of a lot for us to give him up. A mid first isn't going to be enough this year.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 6:56 pm to NOSHAU
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Are you kidding me? Do you watch football or just troll on a website?
we traded Stills coming off a 63/931 age-22 season in which he only saw 83 targets.
He led the NFL as a rookie in YPC with the Saints the year before that.
You telling me Stills couldnt hit 80/1110 with 120 targets in a season?
Brandin Cooks is not much better than Kenny Stills, if at all. Kenny Stills was awesome in this offense. Dont get caught up in where they were drafted
This post was edited on 3/7/17 at 6:57 pm
Posted on 3/7/17 at 6:59 pm to bonethug0108
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And I don't think they want to trade him. This all started from a report about teams asking for him.
i dont want to trade him, trust me.
but the writing seems to be on the wall.
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There is zero rush to trade him this year. We have 3 years to do something with him.
in which his value goes down each year
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It's going to take a hell of a lot for us to give him up. A mid first isn't going to be enough this year.
I think you're wrong, but we'll see.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 6:59 pm to TigerBait1127
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the crap we've been witnessing.
The alleged Twitter war? The alleged thing Lewis did but turns out to be nothing like originally stated?
I think people are reading what they want out of things not at all related to football.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 7:05 pm to Lester Earl
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As for comparable WRs, Kenny Stills netted a 3rd Rder and Ellerbee. Cooks isn't that much better than him. Pick 32 is fair value . Anything higher and I'd be surprised if we aren't giving away a pick with Cooks to make it work
Yea, that isn't really comparable.
Cooks has 17 TDs and 2300 yards in the past 2 years with the Saints
Stills had 1500 and 8 in his 2.
Not to mention the market for WRs has grown.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 7:06 pm to Lester Earl
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in which his value goes down each year
Given consistent production his value will only go up each year as he proves he can do it year after year.
He's young enough that even if we trade him in 2019 he'll be 25 iirc. That's just hitting his prime.
Whatever team gets him would be giving him an extension anyway and not using the 5th year option.
The only way his value goes down is if his production goes down, which is quite possible. It could also go up (which I think is less possible given other things).
We aren't going to ship him off this year just to do it.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 7:07 pm to bonethug0108
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The alleged Twitter war? The alleged thing Lewis did but turns out to be nothing like originally stated?
I think people are reading what they want out of things not at all related to football.
I mean it all goes together with what we heard last year. Hard to ignore what Snead has been posting given the context.
Lots of smoke that Sean Payton all but confirmed too. That's the most I've heard him publicly comment about an internal situation before
He's clearly on the block and there is clearly something there between Snead and cooks.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 7:10 pm to bonethug0108
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Given consistent production his value will only go up each year as he proves he can do it year after year.
He's young enough that even if we trade him in 2019 he'll be 25 iirc. That's just hitting his prime.
Whatever team gets him would be giving him an extension anyway and not using the 5th year option.
I cant agree with that. Teams will use his size and the offense he is in against the Saints in any deal. He doesn't really have anything else to prove, and i doubt his numbers go up unless someone gets hurt. His value will never be higher right now because of how cheap he will be next year, and how affordable he still will be in Year 5 of his contract. You trade him after the 2017 and you are losing leverage. How many WR's in history do you think have been traded for 1st Round picks?
Posted on 3/7/17 at 7:10 pm to bonethug0108
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. A mid first isn't going to be enough this year.
We'll see then
Posted on 3/7/17 at 7:15 pm to TigerBait1127
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Cooks has 17 TDs and 2300 yards in the past 2 years with the Saints
Stills had 1500 and 8 in his 2.
this isnt really comparable either, considering you're including Stills' rookie year and not Cooks. Also consider they were still force feeding Jimmy Graham and Sproles/Pierre when Stills was here. Cooks has a much clearer path to targets in this offense the past two seasons.
funny im looking back at when Stills got traded and see you pimping him. You dont really think Cooks is that much better than Stills was, do you?
Posted on 3/7/17 at 7:17 pm to Lester Earl
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funny im looking back at when Stills got traded and see you pimping him. You dont really think Cooks is that much better than Stills was, do you?
Stills is a good deep threat that was on a cheap contract.
I want to add a deep threat even if we keep Cooks...That doesn't mean I think he's near his level or ceiling
Cooks is that much better than Stills, really not even a question.
This post was edited on 3/7/17 at 7:31 pm
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