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re: Why are you where you are on immigration
Posted on 3/3/17 at 2:31 pm to Godfather1
Posted on 3/3/17 at 2:31 pm to Godfather1
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Something I'm guessing you just don't get.
No. I do get it.
In fact, I actually hold that very view. I just don't believe that the large majority here really believe in that statement.
It's a cop out, especially if you support banning people with GCs and Visas from ME countries.
Let's be honest, none of you gave a shite about illegal immigrants until it came to your doorstep and became a convenient talking point for the right wing echo chamber.
If illegal immigration is all about costs, jobs, and those folks paying their fair share of taxes, then why is amnesty off the table? Wouldn't it be much cheaper and productive to offer those that are here and working a chance to get their status in order and start paying taxes?
Everyone agrees that the criminals need to be deported, even the sanctuary cities.
I'm not sure Trumps ideas will work without costing us a ton of money.
Posted on 3/3/17 at 5:19 pm to Remote Controlled
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If illegal immigration is all about costs, jobs, and those folks paying their fair share of taxes, then why is amnesty off the table? Wouldn't it be much cheaper and productive to offer those that are here and working a chance to get their status in order and start paying taxes?
The math doesn't work. They're unskilled laborers generally. They wouldn't pay enough taxes to offset their cost.
Posted on 3/3/17 at 5:40 pm to Remote Controlled
quote:Because amnesty is itself a copout. It is a de facto creation of citizenship in individuals who have given up nothing to be a citizen. At the same time, I would support a path to citizenship.
If illegal immigration is all about costs, jobs, and those folks paying their fair share of taxes, then why is amnesty off the table? Wouldn't it be much cheaper and productive to offer those that are here and working a chance to get their status in order and start paying taxes?
Prior to this path, I want full control of the borders. On top of that, every individual must personally go and admit they entered or stayed within the country illegally. This will occur within a certain time frame. If they miss the time frame, they are not permitted entry.
They also must prove that they have been in the country for a minimum of 3-5 years.
On top of that, if they have broken any laws, they are denied entry on to the pathway.
The pathway will consist of thorough history courses on American history and courses in English. English must also be proclaimed the official language of this nation. There will be work requirements as well.
Also, non-citizens are not permitted any form of welfare. On top of that, birth right citizenship is revoked. At least one parent must be an American citizen.
For those who are attempting to gain citizenship after staying here for a number of years illegally, they must officially renounce any and all ties to their country of birth.
That's a start for me.
This post was edited on 3/3/17 at 5:43 pm
Posted on 3/3/17 at 7:16 pm to Remote Controlled
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Let's be honest, none of you gave a shite about illegal immigrants until it came to your doorstep and became a convenient talking point for the right wing echo chamber.
I don't know about talking points or echo chambers.
But you're right. I didn't give a shite about it until it came to my doorstep...on 11 September, 2001. Then I became VERY concerned about it.
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