re: I can't imagine anything worse than the Paleo diet.

That used to be, I always lifted pretty much but could eat what I wanted until mid 20s when I was taking the whole eat slay live motto a little to seriously. Ended up at 242, which is fat as frick. I was average, go my shite together fitness wise and guess what? The rest of my life followed suit.

That's when I realized being ok with anything other than excellence or at least striving for it at all times is the only way to live. I can't go crazy and eat triple hamburgers with large coke at lunch and an arse ton of rice and gravy for dinner. Just doesn't work.

In the end low carb or not, you are going to have to find your maintenance calories and adjust from there. I always suggest iifym as my default diet I give people because honestly who the frick wants to go through life being deprived of Nutella. But if someone is looking to get healthy, not just lose weight, whole 30 is by far the healthiest.

In the end I don't really give a shite what the average man of the ot does and won't unless they ask for specific advice. I just get so tired of all the fatties whining it's so hard, just want to scream well no shite!!!!