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re: Trump Is Right: Silicon Valley Is Using H-1B Visas says The Huffington Post!
Posted on 2/6/17 at 11:26 am to EZE Tiger Fan
Posted on 2/6/17 at 11:26 am to EZE Tiger Fan
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Are there some companies abusing this? Of course, but that is NOT what I see as a norm.
I would in the tech sector and I do believe most of the large tech companies do abuse this. I have had H1-B workers reporting to me that were paid 2/3 of what their american peers were. And they weren't given raises either.
Abuse is rampant.
In fact, Oracle is being sued over this at the moment.
I do agree that many tech companies would be fricked if they couldn't staff with H1B. Honestly we can't get qualified candidates to apply to our positions as it is, and they are demanding very high salaries for very junior people.
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Posted on 2/6/17 at 11:36 am to EZE Tiger Fan
quote:So let's say the immigrant flow gets constricted.
I do this! I'm on six curriculum advisory boards.
I am also on a board that helps set up a HS curriculum for future IT majors.
I am also working on a team within my company to help train our current new hires on these technologies.
I'm all up in this bizz...LOL
How long would it take for wages for those positions to increase significantly and people look to try and learn the skills to do them?
I do realize the lack of mathematical and problem solving skills our kids are having suppressed in schools these days, but they aren't all morons.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 11:45 am to llfshoals
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How long would it take for wages for those positions to increase significantly and people look to try and learn the skills to do them?
Most of the skills aren't that hard to pick up. Companies could institute training programs pretty easily to bring bright business majors up to speed. The reality is that the tech sector doesn't invest in training, especially re-training. Its just cheaper to hire someone from India than to retrain them.
Certain specialty skills would be problematic. Senior architecture positions or things with a very special coding expertise, like high speed transaction processing, would have wages skyrocket.
In addition, tech companies would have to hire in lower COL areas. Many people don't want to move to California due to the cost.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 11:57 am to llfshoals
The model goes something like this:
Offshore IT workers are hired for 24/7 support. The work at night, while US workers are sleeping. They make pennies on the dollar, so you can hire 5 of them for the price of one US worker. Only one of the offshore workers has experience. He mentors the other 4 workers while they learn their craft, and he helps cover their rookie mistakes. Once the offshore workers have enough experience, they become mentors for more new workers. After they have been mentoring for a while, they get an H-1B visa and come to the states.
15 years ago, the model was the offshore workers worked during the night, and American workers worked during the day. There were a lot of issues with time differences and communication, so it was frustrating. Workers started coming over to the US and bridging the gap between the offshore and onshore workers and acting as go-betweens.
Eventually, large Indian consulting companies started scooping up thousands of these visas and sending consultants over in large numbers - allowing them to undercut the existing consulting companies like Deloitte and IBM. They not only drove Americans out of those IT sectors by underpaying their H-1B workers, but they refused to help those same workers get their green cards - they can't get their green cards without their sponsors help.
In addition, without a green card, those workers can't stay in the US, once their visa expires, so they are sent back to India, where the are paid even less, and their skills are used as an offshore worker - who no has experience in the US and knows how Americans do business.
Offshore IT workers are hired for 24/7 support. The work at night, while US workers are sleeping. They make pennies on the dollar, so you can hire 5 of them for the price of one US worker. Only one of the offshore workers has experience. He mentors the other 4 workers while they learn their craft, and he helps cover their rookie mistakes. Once the offshore workers have enough experience, they become mentors for more new workers. After they have been mentoring for a while, they get an H-1B visa and come to the states.
15 years ago, the model was the offshore workers worked during the night, and American workers worked during the day. There were a lot of issues with time differences and communication, so it was frustrating. Workers started coming over to the US and bridging the gap between the offshore and onshore workers and acting as go-betweens.
Eventually, large Indian consulting companies started scooping up thousands of these visas and sending consultants over in large numbers - allowing them to undercut the existing consulting companies like Deloitte and IBM. They not only drove Americans out of those IT sectors by underpaying their H-1B workers, but they refused to help those same workers get their green cards - they can't get their green cards without their sponsors help.
In addition, without a green card, those workers can't stay in the US, once their visa expires, so they are sent back to India, where the are paid even less, and their skills are used as an offshore worker - who no has experience in the US and knows how Americans do business.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 12:04 pm to llfshoals
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So let's say the immigrant flow gets constricted.
How long would it take for wages for those positions to increase significantly and people look to try and learn the skills to do them?
Again, if the H-1B workers are paid the market rate, then the problem solves itself. The demand for H-1B visas would go down if there are American's that are available. If not, companies will be forced to use the H-1B visa to find people. Right now, they are using foreign workers to save money.
What companies used to do is hire bright college workers to train, or bring the sharper people out of operations that have shown an apptitude for IT.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 12:19 pm to League Champs
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All in the name of profit. Which I'm a big fan of, but not if it means putting my neighbor, or my kids out of a job
Posted on 2/6/17 at 12:27 pm to Placebeaux
The number of H1B visas is the same as it has been since around 1990 and it is filled each year in just a few days time. The demand is astronomical and the supply is very small, comparatively, because of regulation.
But, just enforce the law. You don't have to dismantle or reduce the H-1B Visa program. Just enforce it and make sure that these companies only hire foreign workers if they can prove that they can't find American workers. And, they should have to pay competitively or more for foreign workers.
How many companies just farm their work out overseas, though? I know tons of tech companies who farm out work to contractors in India, Indonesia, and South East Asia and then pay them little while reaping the benefit here. It is a lot cheaper to do it that way when it comes to tech work, rather than bring the immigrant over here.
Many of the same people who are against immigrants coming here are fine with paying foreigners pennies on the dollar to do the work overseas while they reap the profits. It is quite a hypocrisy. At least when immigrants come here, their salary gets recirculation in the American economy.
But, just enforce the law. You don't have to dismantle or reduce the H-1B Visa program. Just enforce it and make sure that these companies only hire foreign workers if they can prove that they can't find American workers. And, they should have to pay competitively or more for foreign workers.
How many companies just farm their work out overseas, though? I know tons of tech companies who farm out work to contractors in India, Indonesia, and South East Asia and then pay them little while reaping the benefit here. It is a lot cheaper to do it that way when it comes to tech work, rather than bring the immigrant over here.
Many of the same people who are against immigrants coming here are fine with paying foreigners pennies on the dollar to do the work overseas while they reap the profits. It is quite a hypocrisy. At least when immigrants come here, their salary gets recirculation in the American economy.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 12:44 pm to AlaTiger
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But, just enforce the law. You don't have to dismantle or reduce the H-1B Visa program. Just enforce it and make sure that these companies only hire foreign workers if they can prove that they can't find American workers. And, they should have to pay competitively or more for foreign workers.
Exactly. Then let supply/demand dictate the number of visas. Right now, the demand is artificially high, because the foreign workers are so much cheaper. Americans are avoiding certain sectors of the IT world because they know that they are dominated by foreigners and that jobs are harder to find and wages in those sectors are lower, because of it.
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How many companies just farm their work out overseas, though?
They've been doing that for years. There are problems with it, because of the time differences. You will never be able to outsource a majority of the work because of that. You need people working over here in the US.
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At least when immigrants come here, their salary gets recirculation in the American economy.
Not necessarily. I know a lot of H-1B people who send a good portion of their money back to the US. Many save their money and buy property in India, instead of the US. Much like the Mexicans, they are sending a significant amount of money back home.
This post was edited on 2/6/17 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 2/6/17 at 12:51 pm to Iosh
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ven if it were a good idea, which it isn't, there's no physical, terminal product that can easily be tariffed as it crosses borders. How do you stop people from using websites and downloading programs?
A lot of these companies are putting in the legwork to develop the visa workers rather than the more expensive Americans. It's a conscious choice to keep labor costs down.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 12:56 pm to member12
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A lot of these companies are putting in the legwork to develop the visa workers rather than the more expensive Americans. It's a conscious choice to keep labor costs down.
As I mentioned above, a lot of the talent development is done offshore. I don't know what we can do about that, but there's only so much you can do from offshore. It's when they take the $10k/yr offshore guy and bring him to the US and pay him $50K and displace a $100K US worker, that things get dicey, for me.
If you forced the US company to either pay the US guy $100K, OR pay the H-1B visa worker $100K, then you'll find that not only are their people in the US that will do that, but you'll also find that US companies will hire entry level people and train them up for those $100K positions.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 2:34 pm to TrebleHook
Hitler? Hb-1 visas? Yeah okay.
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