I'm not sure how a Muslim, even a moderate one, can look at the spiritually empty West and think that those values represent a step up. While we enjoy tremendous material wealth that is worlds beyond the wildest imagination, there is no satisfying 'answer' or purpose in Western liberal values. Islam has those, even if the implementation of them ends up being shitty.

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Posted by TrueTiger

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Posted on 2/4/17 at 3:29 pm to HempHead

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the spiritually empty West and think that those values represent a step up.

this

a spiritual need cannot be filled with a vacuum, and that is what the west offers these days

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Posted by rbWarEagle

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Posted on 2/4/17 at 3:30 pm to HempHead

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I'm not sure how a Muslim, even a moderate one, can look at the spiritually empty West and think that those values represent a step up

They don't have to view it as a step up with regard to spirituality. Moderate Muslims should (and likely do) understand basic humanist values. We live with them, peaceably.

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Posted by SleauxPlay

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Posted on 2/4/17 at 3:30 pm to HempHead

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I'm not sure how a Muslim, even a moderate one, can look at the spiritually empty West and think that those values represent a step up. While we enjoy tremendous material wealth that is worlds beyond the wildest imagination, there is no satisfying 'answer' or purpose in Western liberal values. Islam has those, even if the implementation of them ends up being shitty.

See, we already found some common ground!

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