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Here's a bold plan if you're the AAC (football divisions, promotion/relegation)
Posted on 1/11/17 at 3:24 pm
Posted on 1/11/17 at 3:24 pm
The AAC is #6 right outside the Power 5, which means they can produce an undefeated champ who narrowly gets the playoff shaft because of a weak SOS. So why not maximize your best team's SOS's in this way?:
Take this season's top 6 and put them in next year's Division A. Take the bottom 6 and put them in next year's Division B. No more East/West.
Division A: Temple (7-1), Navy (7-1), South Florida (7-1), Tulsa (6-2), Houston (5-3), Memphis (5-3)
Division B: Central Florida (4-4), Southern Methodist (3-5), Cincinnati (1-7), Connecticut (1-7), East Carolina (1-7), Tulane (1-7)
The only rivalries that mean anything in the AAC are UH/SMU and UCF/USF, so that would be easy to accommodate in a situation like this when they're in different divisions, so do that and make out the rest of the conference schedule, and play the AACCG at the Division A home stadium (even if the Division B champ has a better record). At the end of the season, promote/relegate two or three spots to keep the top teams in the top division.
What this does is ensure that if there's a highly-touted team like Houston going into the season, you make sure that Houston will play all the top teams in your conference, making for a much better case for a hypothetical undefeated Houston.
What say the MSB?
Take this season's top 6 and put them in next year's Division A. Take the bottom 6 and put them in next year's Division B. No more East/West.
Division A: Temple (7-1), Navy (7-1), South Florida (7-1), Tulsa (6-2), Houston (5-3), Memphis (5-3)
Division B: Central Florida (4-4), Southern Methodist (3-5), Cincinnati (1-7), Connecticut (1-7), East Carolina (1-7), Tulane (1-7)
The only rivalries that mean anything in the AAC are UH/SMU and UCF/USF, so that would be easy to accommodate in a situation like this when they're in different divisions, so do that and make out the rest of the conference schedule, and play the AACCG at the Division A home stadium (even if the Division B champ has a better record). At the end of the season, promote/relegate two or three spots to keep the top teams in the top division.
What this does is ensure that if there's a highly-touted team like Houston going into the season, you make sure that Houston will play all the top teams in your conference, making for a much better case for a hypothetical undefeated Houston.
What say the MSB?
Posted on 1/11/17 at 3:30 pm to ballscaster
The problem is the coaches bounce around too much.
SMU is prime to be decent next year under chad Morris. Ucf is much improved after only one season with their new coach.
East Carolina has been pretty good in the past.
This will never happen but I wish there was regulation confrance between the best teams in Mountain west and American.
SMU is prime to be decent next year under chad Morris. Ucf is much improved after only one season with their new coach.
East Carolina has been pretty good in the past.
This will never happen but I wish there was regulation confrance between the best teams in Mountain west and American.
This post was edited on 1/11/17 at 3:32 pm
Posted on 1/11/17 at 3:31 pm to ballscaster
quote:
you make sure that Houston will play all the top teams in your conference, making for a much better case for a hypothetical undefeated Houston.
Except your're just making sure they play the top teams from the previous year
Posted on 1/11/17 at 3:35 pm to ballscaster
quote:
What say the MSB?
I say leave the soccer horseshite to the Europeans.
Posted on 1/11/17 at 3:35 pm to craigbiggio
quote:Well last year's good teams are more likely than last year's bad teams to be good teams, no? Doing this either increases your chances of getting in a playoff, decreases your chances of getting in a playoff, or does neither.
Except your're just making sure they play the top teams from the previous year
Posted on 1/11/17 at 3:37 pm to craigbiggio
More like giving Houston a better chance to lose a game.
Posted on 1/11/17 at 3:37 pm to ballscaster
True, and it probably would help to not have the dregs of the conference dragging your SOS down.
Ultimately I think it will be more important to the committee that the AAC champ runs the table and has at least one marquee win (like Houston over OU this year).
Ultimately I think it will be more important to the committee that the AAC champ runs the table and has at least one marquee win (like Houston over OU this year).
Posted on 1/11/17 at 3:37 pm to Ssubba
quote:...thus solving another possible conundrum in the debate
More like giving Houston a better chance to lose a game.
Posted on 1/11/17 at 5:48 pm to Dire Wolf
quote:fify but hey here's an idea. UAB is coming back, and Coastal Carolina is moving up, and Idaho and New Mexico State are leaving the Sun Belt, which leaves the AAC, C-USA, and Sun Belt with a combined 36 teams, which is perfect.
This will never happen but I wish there was relegation confrance between the best teams in Mountain west and American.
Marshall was the worst C-USA team, and UAB is just now coming back, so let's relegate them to the Sun Belt and do the same thing I mentioned in the OP, but across all three conferences:
AAC-A: Temple (7-1), Navy (7-1), South Florida (7-1), Tulsa (6-2), Houston (5-3), Memphis (5-3)
AAC-B: Central Florida (4-4), Southern Methodist (3-5), Cincinnati (1-7), Tulane (1-7), East Carolina (1-7), Connecticut (1-7)
USA-C: Western Kentucky (7-1), Old Dominion (7-1), Louisiana Tech (6-2), Middle Tennessee State (5-3), Texas-San Antonio (5-3), Southern Mississippi (4-4)
USA-D: Florida International (4-4), North Texas (3-5), Charlotte (3-5), Texas-El Paso (2-6), Marshall (2-6), Rice (2-6)
Sun Belt-E: Florida Atlantic (2-6 C-USA), Alabama-Birmingham (n/a), Appalachian State (7-1), Arkansas State (7-1), Troy (6-2), Louisiana-Lafayette (5-3)
Sun Belt-F: Georgia Southern (4-4), Louisiana-Monroe (3-5), Georgia State (2-6), South Alabama (2-6), Texas State (0-8), Coastal Carolina (n/a)
Relegate two spots between each division. That is, if these standings hold up:
- Memphis and Houston would drop from A to B
- Central Florida and SMU would go from B to A
- ECU and UConn would drop from B to C
- WKU and ODU would go from C to B
- UTSA and USM would drop from C to D
- FIU and UNT would go from D to C
- Marshall and Rice would drop from D to E
- FAU and UAB would go from E to D
- Troy and ULL would drop from E to F
- GSo and ULM would go from F to E
You could have a deal where an AAC team would get home games against their USA&SBC Counterparts, and the SBC teams would visit theirs, and each USA team would go to USA and host SBC:
Temple - WKU - FAU
Navy - ODU - UAB
USF - LT - Appy
Tulsa - MTSU - Arky State
Houston - UTSA - Troy
Memphis - USM - ULL
UCF - FIU - GSo
SMU - UNT - ULM
Cincy - UNCC - GSt
Tulane - UTEP - USA
ECU - Marshall - Texas State
UConn - Rice - Coastal
Posted on 1/11/17 at 6:04 pm to ballscaster
The SEC should do this with the Sunbelt. The last place team in the SEC goes to the Sunbelt and the number 1 team in the Sunbelt goes to the SEC. Makes perfect sense. Plus, I'd love to see Ole Miss get relegated.
But most likely it'll be between Kentucky, Missouri, and Vandy each year.
But most likely it'll be between Kentucky, Missouri, and Vandy each year.
This post was edited on 1/11/17 at 6:22 pm
Posted on 1/11/17 at 6:11 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
Well obviously there would never be relegation between the SEC and Sun Belt, but given that the SEC teams always schedule a cupcake or two each, it could work to the SEC's advantage to just have all SEC teams host C-USA (picking them because they're to have 14 teams soon) teams on Labor Day weekend in any given year. This would give the top teams a slight SOS boost and make the chances of a second playoff team a tad bit more realistic.
SEC-CUSA challenge 2017:
Western Kentucky at Alabama
Old Dominion at Florida
Louisiana Tech at LSU
Middle Tennessee State at Auburn
Texas-San Antonio at Tennessee
Southern Mississippi at Texas A&M
Florida International at Georgia
North Texas at Kentucky
Charlotte at Arkansas
UTEP at Vanderbilt
Marshall at South Carolina
Rice at Mississippi State
Florida Atlantic at Ole Miss
UAB at Missouri
Good possibility of LSU not winning the division but being in the conversation since one of their "cupcakes" wins 8 or 9 games. That kind of shite adds up in the computers, and of the committee's 12 playoff picks so far in three years, only one of them (undefeated Florida State) was outside the top four in the Massey Composite. :shrug:
SEC-CUSA challenge 2017:
Western Kentucky at Alabama
Old Dominion at Florida
Louisiana Tech at LSU
Middle Tennessee State at Auburn
Texas-San Antonio at Tennessee
Southern Mississippi at Texas A&M
Florida International at Georgia
North Texas at Kentucky
Charlotte at Arkansas
UTEP at Vanderbilt
Marshall at South Carolina
Rice at Mississippi State
Florida Atlantic at Ole Miss
UAB at Missouri
Good possibility of LSU not winning the division but being in the conversation since one of their "cupcakes" wins 8 or 9 games. That kind of shite adds up in the computers, and of the committee's 12 playoff picks so far in three years, only one of them (undefeated Florida State) was outside the top four in the Massey Composite. :shrug:
Posted on 1/11/17 at 6:17 pm to ballscaster
quote:idk, let's see what the rankings have looked like the past few years. I bet a decent bit who ended up with great seasons would have started in "B"
Well last year's good teams are more likely than last year's bad teams to be good teams, no?
Posted on 1/11/17 at 8:24 pm to ballscaster
quote:does it really matter how many games a "cupcake" "rent-a-win" gets?
Good possibility of LSU not winning the division but being in the conversation since one of their "cupcakes" wins 8 or 9 games.
i know LSU played Western Kentucky who was decent... was Tiger Stadium hyped when they were 6-1?
Posted on 1/11/17 at 8:26 pm to chalmetteowl
quote:Yes, it absolutely does, and 2004 is a great example. Bowling Green canceled with Auburn and played Oklahoma. Meanwhile, Auburn replaced the Falcons with the Citadel. By merely a hair, Oklahoma gleaned a better computer rating than Auburn and went on to get slaughtered by (vacated) in the Orange Bowl.
does it really matter how many games a "cupcake" "rent-a-win" gets?
Posted on 1/11/17 at 8:27 pm to ballscaster
quote:1. Houston would have made the top 4 and playoff if they went undefeated this season.
The AAC is #6 right outside the Power 5, which means they can produce an undefeated champ who narrowly gets the playoff shaft because of a weak SOS
2. Making the schedule your way, among all the other reasons it's a bad idea, another is it reduces the chance that, say, Houston this past season, goes undefeated.
Posted on 1/11/17 at 8:29 pm to shel311
That wasn't the question.
The question is whether this increases the chances of an undefeated team getting in, not whether or not it was possible for a team to get in with the status quo in a specific year.
The question is whether this increases the chances of an undefeated team getting in, not whether or not it was possible for a team to get in with the status quo in a specific year.
Posted on 1/11/17 at 8:32 pm to ballscaster
quote:because you decrease your chances of going undefeated as well as decrease your chances of making the playoffs.
So why not maximize your best team's SOS's in this way?
That why
Posted on 1/11/17 at 8:37 pm to shel311
quote:A) not sure that it decreases the playoff chances
because you decrease your chances of going undefeated as well as decrease your chances of making the playoffs.
That why
B) It increases the chances of a one-loss team getting in immensely, which the status quo all but prevents.
Posted on 1/11/17 at 9:06 pm to ballscaster
quote:Of course it would have decreased Houston's chances this season.
A) not sure that it decreases the playoff chances
quote:Your OP talked about an undefeated team, not a 1 loss team. And a 1 loss AAC team basically has no shot of getting in either way, so any increase is too minimal to be relevant most likely.
B) It increases the chances of a one-loss team getting in immensely, which the status quo all but prevents.
Posted on 1/11/17 at 9:06 pm to ballscaster
quote:
Yes, it absolutely does, and 2004 is a great example. Bowling Green canceled with Auburn and played Oklahoma. Meanwhile, Auburn replaced the Falcons with the Citadel. By merely a hair, Oklahoma gleaned a better computer rating than Auburn and went on to get slaughtered by USC in the Orange Bowl.
glad we have humans choosing now who see through asinine bullshite... and take more than 2 teams
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